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Re: baiting issue addressed by hank jr
[Re: Possum Hunter]
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03/19/15 06:44 AM
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I understand the legalities of it, not the common sense of it. If you spend a lot of money to draw deer to your property, by planting fruit tree's, doing tsi, and habitat improvements, then your considered a land manager. If you spend half that amount putting out corn or whatever, to accomplish the same thing, then your a dreaded unethical incompetent baiter. Comical to me.
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Re: baiting issue addressed by hank jr
[Re: odocoileus]
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03/19/15 06:48 AM
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The concern on communal feeding is to do with communicable diseases between deer. Chronic Wasting Disease is coming this way, and you can thank the people who bring deer from the midwest here to breed them for "superior" genetics. From what I understand, there is no screening for deer brought it to the state as the only way to confirm diagnosis is a post mortem histopathologal examination of a portion of the brain known as the obex. Clinical signs of the disease are often vague due to variation in incubation and shedding. I DON'T HAVE AN OPINION ON BAITING!! I don't disagree with what you are saying but if this is the case, shouldn't feeding be made illegal? That would include the little old lady that puts in her back yard to watch the deer.
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Re: baiting issue addressed by hank jr
[Re: Clem]
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03/19/15 07:20 AM
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[quote]Reckon Chairman Dan Moultrie had to pay him an appearance fee? Making baiting legal would be good for bidness
Email Dan and ask him. This is his email address on the DCNR site: danlmoultrie@gmail.com As to "making baiting legal would be good for bidness" ... enough states already allow feeding year-round (like Alabama) and hunting over it during the season to be "good for bidness." And enough law-breakers put it out anyway to be "good for bidness." So whatever Alabama does or doesn't do would be negligible to Moultrie's bottom line -- and that bottom line is EBSCO's, not Dan's -- in regard to selling more feeders. Knowing Dan, if he heard that Hank or Waylon or Willie or Elvis or Elviria wanted to speak to the Legislative committee his response would be, "Go ahead. It's an open meeting." Dang man..I can hear you slurping from here.
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Re: baiting issue addressed by hank jr
[Re: Possum Hunter]
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03/19/15 07:23 AM
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Round ‘bout there
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I just know Dan, have talked with him about this before and knows that the approval or denial by the Alabama Legislature or DCNR about this won't make a difference to EBSCO's bottom line.
If you really think Alabama approving "baiting" would make a difference to Dan then you don't know beans.
Nice slur, though.
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Re: baiting issue addressed by hank jr
[Re: Clem]
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03/19/15 07:43 AM
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I just know Dan, have talked with him about this before and knows that the approval or denial by the Alabama Legislature or DCNR about this won't make a difference to EBSCO's bottom line.
If you really think Alabama approving "baiting" would make a difference to Dan then you don't know beans.
Nice slur, though.
C'mon Clem! Now you know like some of the folks here that every game law DCNR prints is for the benefit of either Dan, Gunter, Curtis, Chuck, Rick and Bubba, Gov. Bently and Nighthunter. 
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Re: baiting issue addressed by hank jr
[Re: Possum Hunter]
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03/19/15 08:29 AM
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I bought a half ton a few days ago, only I feed it to my cows. If folks want to pour their money out on the ground to attract a bunch of old wood goats more power to them.
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Re: baiting issue addressed by hank jr
[Re: centralala]
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03/19/15 08:32 AM
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The concern on communal feeding is to do with communicable diseases between deer. Chronic Wasting Disease is coming this way, and you can thank the people who bring deer from the midwest here to breed them for "superior" genetics. From what I understand, there is no screening for deer brought it to the state as the only way to confirm diagnosis is a post mortem histopathologal examination of a portion of the brain known as the obex. Clinical signs of the disease are often vague due to variation in incubation and shedding. I DON'T HAVE AN OPINION ON BAITING!! I don't disagree with what you are saying but if this is the case, shouldn't feeding be made illegal? That would include the little old lady that puts in her back yard to watch the deer. Bingo we have a winner. If deer heard health is the real issue, then why is feeding deer legal, as long as you don't hunt over it?
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Re: baiting issue addressed by hank jr
[Re: blumsden]
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03/19/15 09:18 AM
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If deer heard health is the real issue, then why is feeding deer legal, as long as you don't hunt over it? Now come on blumsden. Aren't you aware that the presence of a gun within 100 yards of corn instantly infects it with anthrax? LOL! Good luck trying to debate the anti feeder guys. It's hopeless. They will not answer you on any specific point because they can't. For every attack they make on hunting over corn there is a counter attack that completely negates their point but they simply won't acknowledge it. Been down this road several times with them. They will hurl names like lazy slob hunters at you for wanting bait legalized. And then go climb in a shooting house over a green patch. But that's OK because you know it takes all kinds of hard work and woodsmanship to climb into a shooting house over a green patch. You have to walk up those 4 steps; learn to work that latch on the door; and don't even get me started on the skills needed for those plexglass sliding windows. LOL! You have guys that will rank you one click above a child molester for wanting bait legalized for deer and then board a plane and go shoot a bear in Canada over a bait barrel. Or go to Wyoming and kill an antelope by sitting in a blind next to the only water hole for 25 square miles. What's the difference you say? None at all. But common sense, logic and facts have nothing to do with their side in this debate. Using corn for bait is wrong because they were taught it's wrong and that's basically their only argument when you pin them down. A corn feeder is bait placed in a specific location by man to lure game into gun or bow range. A green patch is bait placed in a specific location by man to lure game into gun or bow range. One is illegal but the other isn't despite there being no moral or ethical difference in the two. And that's the unassailable truth they cannot get around despite all the hair pulling and gnashing of teeth.
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Re: baiting issue addressed by hank jr
[Re: blumsden]
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03/19/15 09:22 AM
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I dont care either way cause I dont care for feeders in the woods during season. It makes deer nocturnal. But how bout all those against it just provide proof of all the disease riden deer cases from the legal feeding states? FL for example, TX, etc...? 
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Re: baiting issue addressed by hank jr
[Re: PapaJ]
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03/19/15 09:22 AM
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Seems like the only feasible resolution to the baiting argument is to repeal the law and allow dog hunting in all areas of all counties in Alabama, because then it wouldn't matter how much corn your neighbor put out............ Ol DW would approve of this message! Yeah Cmon! 
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Re: baiting issue addressed by hank jr
[Re: Todd1700]
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03/19/15 09:46 AM
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If deer heard health is the real issue, then why is feeding deer legal, as long as you don't hunt over it? Now come on blumsden. Aren't you aware that the presence of a gun within 100 yards of corn instantly infects it with anthrax? LOL! Good luck trying to debate the anti feeder guys. It's hopeless. They will not answer you on any specific point because they can't. For every attack they make on hunting over corn there is a counter attack that completely negates their point but they simply won't acknowledge it. Been down this road several times with them. They will hurl names like lazy slob hunters at you for wanting bait legalized. And then go climb in a shooting house over a green patch. But that's OK because you know it takes all kinds of hard work and woodsmanship to climb into a shooting house over a green patch. You have to walk up those 4 steps; learn to work that latch on the door; and don't even get me started on the skills needed for those plexglass sliding windows. LOL! You have guys that will rank you one click above a child molester for wanting bait legalized for deer and then board a plane and go shoot a bear in Canada over a bait barrel. Or go to Wyoming and kill an antelope by sitting in a blind next to the only water hole for 25 square miles. What's the difference you say? None at all. But common sense, logic and facts have nothing to do with their side in this debate. Using corn for bait is wrong because they were taught it's wrong and that's basically their only argument when you pin them down. A corn feeder is bait placed in a specific location by man to lure game into gun or bow range. A green patch is bait placed in a specific location by man to lure game into gun or bow range. One is illegal but the other isn't despite there being no moral or ethical difference in the two. And that's the unassailable truth they cannot get around despite all the hair pulling and gnashing of teeth. Good post
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Re: baiting issue addressed by hank jr
[Re: TChunter]
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03/19/15 09:49 AM
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I dont care either way cause I dont care for feeders in the woods during season. It makes deer nocturnal. TC, I gotta disagree with you on this one bud, pressure makes 'em nocturnal. You put that corn on a timer, and most of 'em will get used to the timer, and be waiting for it when it goes off. Big mature bucks is another story.
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Re: baiting issue addressed by hank jr
[Re: Possum Hunter]
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03/19/15 09:58 AM
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Corn is overrated, period. It's been legal here in Florida for a very long time. Yes the deer are attracted to it, but most come after dark, eat a big belly full, then go bed down for the day. From my observations and those of other hunters i know down here it actually decreases daytime movement. Personally I'd rather the deer have to move from place to place on my property to find food instead of it being concentrated in one or just a few spots. Overall I highly doubt it increases the number of deer killed overall. Very few nice bucks are killed over corn, mostly its young does and young bucks.
The only way a corn pile can be effective is to not put any pressure on it and sneak in early or late a couple times a season. Once you let her rip over a corn pile you can jyst about forget daytime visits for a good while. It does make the feed and seed folks a bunch of $$$$ though. Follow the money and you'll see why this is being pushed. Ain't got jack to do with killing deer.
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Re: baiting issue addressed by hank jr
[Re: Todd1700]
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03/19/15 10:02 AM
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A green patch is bait placed in a specific location by man to lure game into gun or bow range.
You had me until you said this^^^ Green fields, except for on the best of the best places, are not placed in specific locations. They are where they are. Most of the time they are in the worst place possible for deer hunting. MOST are planted with the purpose of killing a deer standing in them though. That said, unless you're CNC, there is more effort in food plotting than just throwing seed on the ground like you can a bag of corn. JK of course crimson 
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Re: baiting issue addressed by hank jr
[Re: mirage243]
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03/19/15 10:22 AM
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I dont care either way cause I dont care for feeders in the woods during season. It makes deer nocturnal. TC, I gotta disagree with you on this one bud, pressure makes 'em nocturnal. You put that corn on a timer, and most of 'em will get used to the timer, and be waiting for it when it goes off. Big mature bucks is another story. Corn
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Re: baiting issue addressed by hank jr
[Re: Todd1700]
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03/19/15 12:39 PM
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If deer heard health is the real issue, then why is feeding deer legal, as long as you don't hunt over it? Now come on blumsden. Aren't you aware that the presence of a gun within 100 yards of corn instantly infects it with anthrax? LOL! Good luck trying to debate the anti feeder guys. It's hopeless. They will not answer you on any specific point because they can't. For every attack they make on hunting over corn there is a counter attack that completely negates their point but they simply won't acknowledge it. Been down this road several times with them. They will hurl names like lazy slob hunters at you for wanting bait legalized. And then go climb in a shooting house over a green patch. But that's OK because you know it takes all kinds of hard work and woodsmanship to climb into a shooting house over a green patch. You have to walk up those 4 steps; learn to work that latch on the door; and don't even get me started on the skills needed for those plexglass sliding windows. LOL! You have guys that will rank you one click above a child molester for wanting bait legalized for deer and then board a plane and go shoot a bear in Canada over a bait barrel. Or go to Wyoming and kill an antelope by sitting in a blind next to the only water hole for 25 square miles. What's the difference you say? None at all. But common sense, logic and facts have nothing to do with their side in this debate. Using corn for bait is wrong because they were taught it's wrong and that's basically their only argument when you pin them down. A corn feeder is bait placed in a specific location by man to lure game into gun or bow range. A green patch is bait placed in a specific location by man to lure game into gun or bow range. One is illegal but the other isn't despite there being no moral or ethical difference in the two. And that's the unassailable truth they cannot get around despite all the hair pulling and gnashing of teeth. Normally, as people get a little older, they get a little wiser. Just because a spread of a certain disease hasn't happened, doesn't mean it won't. --As far as ethics, I wonder what some of these people are thinking when they hunt a waterhole or other attractant. (Only God knows what people are thinking when somebody sits in a hut to hope to shoot a leopard when there is a gazelle hanging from a tree.) Everybody to their own. Some people aren't able to go into the woods and go up a tree using a climber. They need to hunt, or whatever you want to call it, in any way that can get them into the outdoors. Good luck to them. Feeders with protein seems different to me than filling them with corn. I guess you can get a deer fat and energized with the carbs. Lots of people get deer plenty of protein with fertilizing and liming native plants. May be a little cheaper. Using corn for bait may be the future in Alabama. However, how much protein is there in corn. There is probably no moral or ethical difference in feeding corn or having food plots. While the results may not be what a person wants, the food plot should have better nutrients than corn. Am I wrong? How many people keep feeding corn after the season, while the food plot is still productive?
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