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Spin off baiting thread #1390087
07/14/15 06:51 AM
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IMO i dont see the hype behind it. If i could pour a pile of attractant and set over it everyday,frankly, i would give up hunting within a season. So even if it were legal i would have no desire. It took me til last year before my homework paid off and had two mature buck encounters (inside 60yds). No shots, but rewarding just the same. It wouldnt have meant a thing to me if they had their heads buried in a pile of somethin put out. My four year old could kill a deer doin that, and never learn anything. Just my 2 cents.

Re: Spin off baiting thread [Re: PineStalker89] #1390095
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Pretty much same argument could be made for greenfields......

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Originally Posted By: Atoler
Pretty much same argument could be made for greenfields......


And fake trees.

Re: Spin off baiting thread [Re: PineStalker89] #1390115
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Very true, im not opposed to anyone else's idea of a good hunt. Just not my cup of tea. Personally, i havent hunted on a greenfield either. Though i do believe it would be harder to carry a greenfield and throw it down right before you hunt, or only set it out in daylight hours.

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If you're talking strictly about hunting over greenfields, then a similar comparison could be made. Other than that, the two are drastically different. A greenfield is part of the habitat, not just a food source.


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Originally Posted By: Yelp softly
If you're talking strictly about hunting over greenfields, then a similar comparison could be made. Other than that, the two are drastically different. A greenfield is part of the habitat, not just a food source.


A greenfield is a supplemental food source, which deer are harvested over, that is man made. A corn pile could fit all of those things.

I'm not for or against it, I'm too poor to feed anyways. I just think it is laughable when people say that they wouldn't shoot a deer with it's head buried in a corn pile, then proceed to kill a deer with it's head buried in a plot that they created specifically for that purpose.

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Originally Posted By: Atoler
Originally Posted By: Yelp softly
If you're talking strictly about hunting over greenfields, then a similar comparison could be made. Other than that, the two are drastically different. A greenfield is part of the habitat, not just a food source.


I just think it is laughable when people say that they wouldn't shoot a deer with it's head buried in a corn pile, then proceed to kill a deer with it's head buried in a plot that they created specifically for that purpose.


The ADCNR sees it differently as they put out literature on how to improve (man-made) plots and write up a lot of people for baiting with corn.

It would be interesting if they make it legal, which they seem to be inching toward since now it only has to be 100 yards away and out if sight.

I do see where you are coming from though. Yet some people are straight up farming (not plots for deer) and are happy to have hunters remove deer from their property. A lot of grey area.

Re: Spin off baiting thread [Re: PineStalker89] #1390294
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I dont hunt over any of it so it doesnt make a hill of beans to me. Its a matter of opinion. Just dont want my kid growing up thinkin thats "hunting". Then again i could be blind thinking it doesnt build skill. But who knows...

Re: Spin off baiting thread [Re: PineStalker89] #1390316
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I don't have any beef with bait, fields, etc. That being said, I think the point is that all of those things intently bring the deer to a known spot within shot range. It does take some of the excitement of the unknown from it, and I suppose the argument could be made that we are taking some of the "sporting chance" out of it, sorta like manipulating the odds. Not exactly like hunting a large acorn ridge where the deer could be anywhere out of range. My biggest complaint about food plots, corn piles, etc, is that I almost never see bucks on them. But to repeat, I would shoot a deer on my back porch if I could draw him up there.

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Re: Spin off baiting thread [Re: ikillbux] #1390514
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Originally Posted By: ikillbux
I don't have any beef with bait, fields, etc. That being said, I think the point is that all of those things intently bring the deer to a known spot within shot range. It does take some of the excitement of the unknown from it, and I suppose the argument could be made that we are taking some of the "sporting chance" out of it, sorta like manipulating the odds. Not exactly like hunting a large acorn ridge where the deer could be anywhere out of range. My biggest complaint about food plots, corn piles, etc, is that I almost never see bucks on them. But to repeat, I would shoot a deer on my back porch if I could draw him up there.


i'm like a lion at a water hole . if it's legal i'll do it .

if i could afford it . lol

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Hmm....my favorite setup is in a greenfield topped off with about 100 lbs. of shelled corn for starters, then I screw a few tubs of peanut butter into as many pine trees surrounding said field as I can. Then I dig a few holes around the field and pour a witches brew of buck jam, molasses, cane syrup and some more peanut butter into `em. Usually at this point I retreat to the stand and shoot the first deer into the field, (yearlings, does, bucks, whatever...) If i'm still not seeing anything, then I`ll throw a few Krispy Kreme doughnuts out there.

Re: Spin off baiting thread [Re: PineStalker89] #1390736
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We have a family farm in north carolina where baiting is legal. me and my buddies will make a few trips up there a year to hunt. sometimes we put out corn and sometimes we dont. Putting it out doesnt really give you an advantage i dont think. last year we made four trips and didnt pout out any nuggets. still we killed some does with bows and i shot a decent buck with my bow.

in 2007 i killed a 171 that came running in towards two does in the middle of a wheat field. two weeks later i found out my cousin had put out 400 pounds of corn (where the does were feeding the whole time). yes i guess you could say he was killed over corn but his focus was for sure on the does and didnt even know the corn was there.

Re: Spin off baiting thread [Re: BOWTHUG] #1391579
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A greenfield is part of the habitat, not just a food source.


LOL! No offense but I love comments like this. It's one of the things green patch hunters tell themselves to feel like they are doing something different than sitting over bait. They're not.

A corn pile is bait placed in a specific location by man in order to lure a game animal in for a kill.

A green patch is bait placed in a specific location by man in order to lure a game animal in for a kill.

Telling yourself any different is just living a life of delusion.

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If i could pour a pile of attractant and set over it everyday,frankly, i would give up hunting within a season. So even if it were legal i would have no desire. It took me til last year before my homework paid off and had two mature buck encounters (inside 60yds). No shots, but rewarding just the same. It wouldnt have meant a thing to me if they had their heads buried in a pile of somethin put out. My four year old could kill a deer doin that, and never learn anything. Just my 2 cents.


Yeah, and don't get me started on people who use trucks to go hunting. Personally I jog to all my hunting locations. If I had to use a truck I would quit within one season. Hell, my kid can drive a truck to the woods.

And what about those people who use guns and climbing stands to hunt? Are you kidding me? That just makes things way too easy. Personally I hunt from the ground using only a butchers knife. And I don't wear any of that pussy cheating ass camo clothing either. In fact I strap a bright neon sign to my head that constantly flashes the words "RUN MOTH#####KER" just to give the deer a sporting chance. Hell, my kid can kill deer with a gun. I'd quit hunting within a season if I had to use a gun.

Sure wouldn't want my kid growing up thinking killing a deer 200 yards away from a tree stand was actually hunting. Man that's just pitiful that anyone calls that hunting.


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Re: Spin off baiting thread [Re: Todd1700] #1391581
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Though i do believe it would be harder to carry a greenfield and throw it down right before you hunt,


You really think you can just carry a sack of corn into the woods with you; pour it out; and then climb a tree? Really? You think it works like that? Wow! How old are you?

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or only set it out in daylight hours.


You can set a feeder to go off anytime you want but the corn will lay there until a mature buck feels safe before he comes to eat any of it. If he comes at all. Don't let these TV shows with domesticated deer raised on a game farm and released into their new high fence homes fool you into believing that you will train wild deer to come whenever you want them to.

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Re: Spin off baiting thread [Re: Todd1700] #1391590
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The ADCNR sees it differently as they put out literature on how to improve (man-made) plots and write up a lot of people for baiting with corn.


Lots of things have wrongfully been illegal or legal in this country. It was once legal to own other humans here. It was once illegal for women to vote. I could go on for an hour listing examples. Thank goodness we live in a country where we have the freedom to ask "WHY" something is illegal. And when a good answer to that question cannot be found then we can pressure the people in office or elect new people that will change such laws.

I hear a lot of people rail against hunting over bait in these threads but hold their feet to the fire and they cannot give you one reason that makes hunting over corn any morally or ethically different than hunting over a green patch. Yet one is illegal and the other isn't. But I have a feeling that eventually this glaring inconsistency is going to be fixed.


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Re: Spin off baiting thread [Re: PineStalker89] #1391620
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It should just be made legal so this debate could end lol. There are plenty of places baiting is legal and it has not destroyed hunting as some act like it would here. As one of the few Alabama hunters in bear country I wish my neighbors would all start baiting/feeding pronto wink


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I've never understood the infatuation with baiting. It's costly for one. Are some of you so bad at killing deer that you think you need it?

I'm not opposed to it really but why would anyone need to spend that kind of money pouring feed out to kill a deer in alabama?


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Originally Posted By: AlabamaSwamper
I've never understood the infatuation with baiting. It's costly for one. Are some of you so bad at killing deer that you think you need it?

I'm not opposed to it really but why would anyone need to spend that kind of money pouring feed out to kill a deer in alabama?



I think alot of people would just stay at home if they couldnt sit on a plot or have corn 100yds away. Thats the gist of it.

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Everybody that hunts uses every edge to shoot something that they can, plots, corn, powdered attractants, calls, sex lures, scopes, tree stands, camo ground blinds, leasing the best land they can afford or have access to to for hunting and the list goes on. I guess they can either be a hypocrite about it, but facts are facts. Todd has about the same viewpoint that I do.

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I'm not saying it shouldn't be legal. I couldn't less. I just don't understand the infatuation with it.


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