My bad, my bad!

Think about this scenario , baiting brings demand for corn and other grains which inturn makes a demand for farm land which in turn causes more future farmers and the increase farm land benefits deer and other wildlife year round . We are helping the farmers , economy , land values , creating a better and more beautiful Alabama .

Not disagreeing with you. But let's unpack it and see what's really there...

Really, the only difference is the legality. Again, it's stretching to find a debatable (at best) distinction between a corn pile and those things you mentioned. OTHER than the legality of "bait" (corn, in this example), is there some other universal/defensible reason you dislike it? You said don't want to hunt around those that do. Is this solely because of the illegal nature of their hunting tactics? I flatly agree with you about that. But I reject the notion that bait is unsportsmanlike (if otherwise legal).

No difference IMO.

If the deer has an option to be there or not, it is "sporting". I can dump a giant pile of corn, but the deer aren't any more likely to come there than an acorn tree or food plot. They are naturally nocturnal also, plus sensitive to pressure, so they might only come at night. So I just reject the sportsmanship angle in this argument.

Now, I've been thinking about using a drone to fly over cutovers. I could look for deer bedded, and even jump them up!!! Debate away fellas!!
I've always wished I had a magic carpet... silently fly all around cutovers, through the woods, the deer wouldn't stand a chance! LOL

It's gotta have a speaker for the clapping sound effect.

Based off the way people talk, making it legal won't increase its use much. Besides deer hunters are a blip on the radar, considering we put millions of tons of corn in our gas tank each year.

This is pure gold. Solid "Post of the Year" material....

Why does every thread have to be argueing ? None of you have addressed my question about summer plots. IF its just baiting to plant, explain summer plots ! ARGue your way out of that one. SOme of you may have never planted a plot, or enjoyed watching does and fawns play and eat in them. IF you don't kill deer in plots you can learn alot by they behavior. THERE is more to hunting than killing, I MIss food plotting as much as any part of it.FOOd plots attract and hold deer on properties where there may have been little food before.Attending a QDMA shortcourse would change many of your opinions. OPEn your minds.

Coming from someone who hunts in Florida, where it is legal I can tell you the differences for us.

1.) MATURE bucks are leery of feeders and mostly visit at night(rut is the exception)

2.)I can go sit on a food plot WITH an automatic feeder and not see a deer during daylight.

3.) On that same piece of property I can take a bag of ear corn and throw it on the ground in the woods and see deer during daylight.

4.) EVERY property is different for baiting. I've hunted clubs that the deer are standing under the feeder waiting for it to go off, on the other hand I'm in a club now that you may sit for a week over a feeder and never see a deer

I think most of you think of "baiting" just as corn, couldn't be further from the truth. So saying that it has no nutritional value is crap. If you want nutrition then put out sweet potatoes and protein pellets instead of corn.

Just because it is legal doesn't mean you have to hunt over it. We strictly keep corn/feeders on plots only, we DO NOT corn in the woods.

I will be sitting on a food plot with 2 corn feeders and a pile of sweet potatoes this afternoon here in Fla I will tell you all what I see tomorrow.

My main focus is duck hunting. The rules and regulations are much stricter and there are lots of gray areas. The local game wardens are good people that do a great job under stressful conditions. I don't want to associate with lawbreakers because I value my relationship with the wardens and don't want to put that in jeopardy. So I don't hunt with or around the corn pilers.

As far as corn. My opinion is it is a food source. Grew up hunting food sources both manmade (food plots) and natural (honeysuckle and acorns). If it is legal then I don't feel morally opposed. There are several places on my property that are too shaded for plots and would be more hunter friendly with a strategically placed food source. Just wish more would feel compelled to feed an extra month.

Is doe estrous urine baiting? I saw a buck come to it like he was hypnotized this year.

Really all it boils down to is how simple do you think it should be to see, kill a deer and have the government coddle to the whims of the too busy but want a participation trophy every time they go "hunting"? Once that is answered in your own mind then you can determine if hunting really is for you or not. For me playing the game and understanding what, where, when and how deer live, move, eat, hide and woodsmanship are a hell of a lot more interesting, important and enjoyable than making it easier and easier so I can call myself a hunter while I am more interested about staying on my cell phone playing games and texting while I "watch" a bait pile.

Figure this one out.... I have had a feeder up since Sept. During deer season I got daylight pics one time(2 small bucks at 7:00 in the morn). In the past week, I've been getting daylight pics every other day. Pressure right? No. I've been going to the feeder every day lately because I've got coon traps out. I guess they know seasons over.

How many bait piles do you know of? How many did you run across this fall, last year, two years ago? Did you report any bait piles to conservation enforcement officials? How many shooters on this web site utilize corn as an attractant?

My personal stand on baiting is pretty simple. If it is legal in another state and somebody wants to hunt in that manner have at it. I think baiting is a tactic desired by lazy hunters that do not want learn the skills or spend the time to study deer, their behaviour and movement patterns.

I think baiting is a tactic designed to circumvent effort, knowledge and skill.

Unfortunately most states are loaded with baiters. I learned on my first day in law school that life isn't fair. It sucks to hear the gun shots coming from properties where baiting is probably going on. Baiting is a significant condemnation of a shooters ability to hunt!

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Welcome to the fracas! And two thumbs up!

Yet another self-styled, Fred Bear wannabe. Is there not more than one way to skin a cat? Your way is the only legitimate way...is that it? I love this argument. We can go all day if you want.

If it's private property than the state should let you hunt however you desire

Could yall imagine how many empty bags of corn would litter the roadways if baiting was legal