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Re: Once we get tags... [Re: ValleyDawg] #1651674
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Originally Posted by ValleyDawg
Originally Posted by outdoorobsession
Ive hunted in MANY states that have tags..MANY.
Ive lived in many.

And non huntin wifes get tags, daughters get tags.

They take the silly course and get the tags because it is easy.
Then the husband/father gets extra tags and believe me..he fills them.
I still hunt in states with tags..but outlaws will be outlaws no matter what. I have an Illinois lease. WE follow the laws..but a lot of folks sure dont.

Yall are beating a dead horse.

It aint gonna fix a thing. People who break laws..will STILL break the law.

Just like the guns laws dont stop CRIMINALS..they just cause more hassle for legal gun owners. Yall are asking for the same.

Unless youve experienced the "tag system" your just being theoretical. In REALITY..OUTLAWS will find ways to be OUTLAWS. Next thing you know yall will want "check in Stations"...what a freakin hassle that is!
Man..if you havent actually used tags or check ins..then no offense..but you dont know what youre talking about.

Your talking about an "IDEA" with unrealistic expectations. Reality is quite different. If they are breaking the law NOW..you think a silly "TAG" system will stop em???? REALLY?

SMDH.. slap



I have hunted in and lived in tag states. You are right that wou cant stop them all, but you can stop a lot of them. The tag systems that work have a number that corresponds to the license holder on them. If you have tags that are in your wifes name (license number) on a deer without her around you are gonna get fined. Even if they used their wife and kids tags they could still only kill the amount that they have tags for. Not the unlimited number they can kill now.
I actually really enjoyed the hunting in the tag states I was in. Tags arent really inconvenient at all. I lived in New Mexico amd Colorado where you have to enter a drawing to hunt and just hope you get picked. That was inconvenient! Tags, not inconvenient at all.

Buddy we in the south! They going to cheat it. You think these ol boys going to go by the rules. Lol. My pappy said boy if you going to hunt you need to know how to cheat watch here!

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Originally Posted by ValleyDawg
Originally Posted by outdoorobsession
Ive hunted in MANY states that have tags..MANY.
Ive lived in many.

And non huntin wifes get tags, daughters get tags.

They take the silly course and get the tags because it is easy.
Then the husband/father gets extra tags and believe me..he fills them.
I still hunt in states with tags..but outlaws will be outlaws no matter what. I have an Illinois lease. WE follow the laws..but a lot of folks sure dont.

Yall are beating a dead horse.

It aint gonna fix a thing. People who break laws..will STILL break the law.

Just like the guns laws dont stop CRIMINALS..they just cause more hassle for legal gun owners. Yall are asking for the same.

Unless youve experienced the "tag system" your just being theoretical. In REALITY..OUTLAWS will find ways to be OUTLAWS. Next thing you know yall will want "check in Stations"...what a freakin hassle that is!
Man..if you havent actually used tags or check ins..then no offense..but you dont know what youre talking about.

Your talking about an "IDEA" with unrealistic expectations. Reality is quite different. If they are breaking the law NOW..you think a silly "TAG" system will stop em???? REALLY?

SMDH.. slap



I have hunted in and lived in tag states. You are right that wou cant stop them all, but you can stop a lot of them. The tag systems that work have a number that corresponds to the license holder on them. If you have tags that are in your wifes name (license number) on a deer without her around you are gonna get fined. Even if they used their wife and kids tags they could still only kill the amount that they have tags for. Not the unlimited number they can kill now.
I actually really enjoyed the hunting in the tag states I was in. Tags arent really inconvenient at all. I lived in New Mexico amd Colorado where you have to enter a drawing to hunt and just hope you get picked. That was inconvenient! Tags, not inconvenient at all.


Again..wrong. You just need her to sign a "transportation letter" stating you can transport it. Wow... you guys just dont get it...IF SOMEONE WANTS TO CIRCUMVENT THE SILLY TAG IT IS EASY.

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Re: Once we get tags... [Re: ] #1651677
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Originally Posted by outdoorobsession
Originally Posted by swampcracker
Originally Posted by outdoorobsession
Ive hunted in MANY states that have tags..MANY.
Ive lived in many.

And non huntin wifes get tags, daughters get tags.

They take the silly course ONE YEAR and get the tags every year because it is easy.
Then the husband/father gets extra tags EVERY YEAR and believe me..he fills them. And takes them to the butcher wearing the tags of his wife/daughter, etc.

I still hunt in states with tags..but outlaws will be outlaws no matter what. I have an Illinois lease. WE follow the laws..but a lot of folks sure dont.

Yall are beating a dead horse.

It aint gonna fix a thing. People who break laws..will STILL break the law.

Just like the guns laws dont stop CRIMINALS..they just cause more hassle for legal gun owners. Yall are asking for the same.

Unless youve experienced the "tag system" your just being theoretical. In REALITY..OUTLAWS will find ways to be OUTLAWS. Next thing you know yall will want "check in Stations"...what a freakin hassle that is!
Man..if you havent actually used tags or check ins..then no offense..but you dont know what youre talking about.

Your talking about an "IDEA" with unrealistic expectations. Reality is quite different. If they are breaking the law NOW..you think a silly "TAG" system will stop em???? REALLY?

SMDH.. slap

Thank You That's it right there. Next it's a 24 hr check in.


Wow..you have no idea. Ive hunted all those state and NEVER..EVER saw a 24 hr check in..hence the hassle!

Where do you think you go? the damn 24 hr Walmart super center?????

No..you go to bait shops, hunting gd stores, etc...little mom and pop places. Many dont open at hours you like. Once again..you dont know a thing about what your talking about..sorry.

No bud I'm with you 100% I don't want that crap. I have a hard enough time finding my wallet I don't need to keep up with tags too.

Re: Once we get tags... [Re: Remington270] #1651679
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more folks wanting to force the rest of us to deal the way they like to do things because THEY dont mind. Who cares about how the rest of us feel....your way must be the right way???

Re: Once we get tags... [Re: swampcracker] #1651682
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Originally Posted by swampcracker
Originally Posted by outdoorobsession
Originally Posted by swampcracker
Originally Posted by outdoorobsession
Ive hunted in MANY states that have tags..MANY.
Ive lived in many.

And non huntin wifes get tags, daughters get tags.

They take the silly course ONE YEAR and get the tags every year because it is easy.
Then the husband/father gets extra tags EVERY YEAR and believe me..he fills them. And takes them to the butcher wearing the tags of his wife/daughter, etc.

I still hunt in states with tags..but outlaws will be outlaws no matter what. I have an Illinois lease. WE follow the laws..but a lot of folks sure dont.

Yall are beating a dead horse.

It aint gonna fix a thing. People who break laws..will STILL break the law.

Just like the guns laws dont stop CRIMINALS..they just cause more hassle for legal gun owners. Yall are asking for the same.

Unless youve experienced the "tag system" your just being theoretical. In REALITY..OUTLAWS will find ways to be OUTLAWS. Next thing you know yall will want "check in Stations"...what a freakin hassle that is!
Man..if you havent actually used tags or check ins..then no offense..but you dont know what youre talking about.

Your talking about an "IDEA" with unrealistic expectations. Reality is quite different. If they are breaking the law NOW..you think a silly "TAG" system will stop em???? REALLY?

SMDH.. slap

Thank You That's it right there. Next it's a 24 hr check in.


Wow..you have no idea. Ive hunted all those state and NEVER..EVER saw a 24 hr check in..hence the hassle!

Where do you think you go? the damn 24 hr Walmart super center?????

No..you go to bait shops, hunting gd stores, etc...little mom and pop places. Many dont open at hours you like. Once again..you dont know a thing about what your talking about..sorry.

No bud I'm with you 100% I don't want that crap. I have a hard enough time finding my wallet I don't need to keep up with tags too.


you got that right. I cant believe people want more tags..when tag states want to do away with them. By the way..the tags sysytem is ALL over the democratic led states..and NOT republican states..think there is a correlation?
One group LOVES govt..the other...not so much.

Re: Once we get tags... [Re: Remington270] #1651683
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Everyone is so worried about the bucks!
News flash, no matter what you do you're only going to have limited number of big deer on your place!
Most will just catch one passing through that doesn't actually stay on their land. During the rut bucks travel, and what better way of getting those bucks to travel to your land than to have as many does as possible living there!
You will always be over run with 1.5 and 2.5 year old bucks that most people will shoot.
If we had a tag system in place 20 years ago you wouldn't be hearing all the gripe and complaining that you here now about deer numbers. There would have still been a movement from doe days to all season doe harvest but I'll guarantee that once the numbers came in the state would have already cut back the number of days. Most land managers saw it early on and restricted doe harvest while other small tracts kept on killing and are now complaining that the state should go back to doe days.
If we had been giving them the information about kill numbers then maybe they could see the impact that all season doe harvest produced.

Re: Once we get tags... [Re: Remington270] #1651685
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Im out here..its easier talking to my dang mother in law then arguing a point here. ODO..out.

Re: Once we get tags... [Re: ] #1651701
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Originally Posted by outdoorobsession
Im out here..its easier talking to my dang mother in law then arguing a point here. ODO..out.

Lol Its like trying to tell a youngen don't pet that sweet looking puppy he'll bite you. But he looks so sweet. Somethings just seem better. I'm in the worse county in Alabama for deer probley and could have killed 50 deer this year I thought hunting was AOK. I guess all them shows got everyone thinking if you don't see 10 deer a day its deer poor. I guess no one thinks about hunting is hard sometimes. Lol I love hunting Alabama wouldn't change a thing accept hire about 2 gamewardens for each county and watch numbers jump back.

Re: Once we get tags... [Re: Remington270] #1651708
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I think tags are pretty much useless in a state like Alabama. Too many hunters and too many killers. I know grown men who've hunted 30 years that just kill a deer to kill it, just to watch it die, or because the supposedly ''need'' some meat.

It's a cultural issue. Also, like I said before, managing land wouldn't help either, because there isn't enough available land or enough available hunters that see the benefit in Alabama for management to make a difference. There are exceptions, where some wealthy or fortunate people have enough acreage and like minded people to really manage, but those are exceptions.

Asking for a tag to validate what was killed wouldn't make a difference if those that kill to watch it die, or because they are deprived of protein, can do so 104 days a year as they do now.

Re: Once we get tags... [Re: ValleyDawg] #1651737
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Originally Posted by ValleyDawg
Originally Posted by swampcracker
What I'm trying to say is new Laws won't help. The Gamewarden is stretch to the breaking point now. They ride all night around here killing them all year I just helped my neighbor pull a spike out of his pond someone shot last night. Now if you guys Really think Tags are going to help what the REAL problem is you will vote Ardvark. Look guys I live in the woods I see what the problems are it's not the guys hunting that are doing it. Its Just the truth. You want better hunting build up a fund and help the law enforcement we do have take care of the LAWS we have already. That's my point! All the rules In the world won't stop it.


I definitely agree that the gamewardens need more help. Poachers make me sick. I would be in favor of higher license prices if the money went to directly funding the game enforcement officers.
The officers need to have clear laws they can enforce though. The Alabama regs are not clear or enforceable. All some of us want is clear laws that can be enforced.
It would be a whole lot easier to tell who has an illegal deer in the bed of the truck if all the legal ones had a tag hanging on em.
The Game warden can only do a little. He accuses the poacher of violating the law. The judge in the court has to make the guilty decision. Then make it hurt when a poacher gets convicted. Start taking what was used in the crime (guns, bows, crossbows, four wheelers and pickup trucks) when convicted. Maybe they will think twice before squeezing that trigger? If nit the Game Wardens will have some nice stuff to catch them again with.

Re: Once we get tags... [Re: ValleyDawg] #1651832
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First of all, your avatar is amazing.


Thanks. I had to have it when I saw it on another board.

I can't think of a single person that doesn't smile when they think of Farley as Matt Foley.


"You think I care? Roll Damn Tide"

Have you tried Google?
Re: Once we get tags... [Re: Remington270] #1651839
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That's up to the Judge's. Start paying attention to what Judge's you vote in.Because they can do all that now. Peer pressure is the best weapon for it you know guys that do wrong call them out. I don't know one hunter that kills more than they need. But I know lots of poachers that do. Its not the guy killing a few deer a yr hurting the number it's the poachers. The avg guy don't kill but 3-5 deer a yr at most. I've herd of 19 yr old punks killing 150 a summer.

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Originally Posted by swampcracker
That's up to the Judge's. Start paying attention to what Judge's you vote in.Because they can do all that now. Peer pressure is the best weapon for it you know guys that do wrong call them out. I don't know one hunter that kills more than they need. But I know lots of poachers that do. Its not the guy killing a few deer a yr hurting the number it's the poachers. The avg guy don't kill but 3-5 deer a yr at most. I've herd of 19 yr old punks killing 150 a summer.


Dang big government keeps violating those 19 yr olds rights to kill as many deer as they want. Today they take away your summer hunting rights tomorrow they are coming for your guns. Dang big government. rofl

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Originally Posted by ValleyDawg
Originally Posted by outdoorobsession
Man..I dont know why anyone wants more regulations OR more costs.....SMH.
It isnt going to FIX anything.


It's not really more regulations, it is a way to enforce the ones we already have. There is already government involvement in hunting. The problem is the gov involvement under the current regs is useless bc it is not efficient or useful. The regs already say you can only take 3 bucks a year, all tags will do is make it easier to enforce that.


Im curious, if the tags won't achieve your desired goals (and they won't IMO) what's your next step? I believe you "government is the answer guys" won't stop there, when you realize the tags didn't do what you hoped it would then yall will push for more rules and regulations.


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The DCNR all of a sudden wants to micro-manage every aspect of hunting in a state where the land base is over 70% privately owned. You are more likely to get a ticket for forgetting your pen, than an outlaw because he takes too much resources and time to catch. Outlaws will continue to prevail because the time it takes to catch them cuts out on easy "revenue generation". The "just" will pay and be burdened by limited management options and continue to have no increased ability or agency resource to combat the "un-just".

I am thankful that the private landowner in Alabama manages their own land, timber, water, and wildlife; most more rigorously than required by the broad framework of guidelines within state law. If it weren't for them we wouldn't have the rich wildlife resources we have today.

Alabama needs to continue with a broad framework of game laws that provides flexibility to the stewards of the resource. Enforcement needs to concentrate on enforcement of the real trouble makers for their "revenue generation". Don't add more layers of regulation to the ethical hunters of this state who are already declining in numbers. Folks on this forum; we are the good guys who are making strides to take care of our resources. We're not the ones who need to be more regulated. We need the bad apples that have existed for decades in the same places and communities to quit being a drain on our resources. That is the call of the DCNR, and once that call is answered people will be more receptive to more regulation on better than 16 million privately owned acres in Alabama !

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Tags work in other states, I don't understand why you guys don't think they will here !


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Originally Posted by perchjerker
Tags work in other states, I don't understand why you guys don't think they will here !

CAUSE THIS IS ALABAMA!!!!LOL
IF IT AIN'T BASS AACKWARDS IT AIN'T GONNA WORK!
Just think of all the special education course the state will have to pay for to learn people how to cut a tag on the correct date!!!

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What do they 'work' to do?

Not sure I understand the point?

Re: Once we get tags... [Re: ValleyDawg] #1652040
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Originally Posted by ValleyDawg
Originally Posted by swampcracker
That's up to the Judge's. Start paying attention to what Judge's you vote in.Because they can do all that now. Peer pressure is the best weapon for it you know guys that do wrong call them out. I don't know one hunter that kills more than they need. But I know lots of poachers that do. Its not the guy killing a few deer a yr hurting the number it's the poachers. The avg guy don't kill but 3-5 deer a yr at most. I've herd of 19 yr old punks killing 150 a summer.


Dang big government keeps violating those 19 yr olds rights to kill as many deer as they want. Today they take away your summer hunting rights tomorrow they are coming for your guns. Dang big government. rofl

Wow what are you 4? You think because someone makes a New rule it fixed. Fact is I told you what the big problems are if you want to act like I'm crazy go Ahead. But in 25 years when you can't hunt anymore unless you have a quota or own your own land you'll be thinking Dang Big Government. And 99-% of the poachers are 18-29 the ones riding roads drinking beer shooting deer off the roads and out of fields all summer because they don't care ,They ain't been busted yet. You must live in a subdivision and not know what's going on in the deer woods after you lock the gate.

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Originally Posted by woodsrider
The DCNR all of a sudden wants to micro-manage every aspect of hunting in a state where the land base is over 70% privately owned. You are more likely to get a ticket for forgetting your pen, than an outlaw because he takes too much resources and time to catch. Outlaws will continue to prevail because the time it takes to catch them cuts out on easy "revenue generation". The "just" will pay and be burdened by limited management options and continue to have no increased ability or agency resource to combat the "un-just".

I am thankful that the private landowner in Alabama manages their own land, timber, water, and wildlife; most more rigorously than required by the broad framework of guidelines within state law. If it weren't for them we wouldn't have the rich wildlife resources we have today.

Alabama needs to continue with a broad framework of game laws that provides flexibility to the stewards of the resource. Enforcement needs to concentrate on enforcement of the real trouble makers for their "revenue generation". Don't add more layers of regulation to the ethical hunters of this state who are already declining in numbers. Folks on this forum; we are the good guys who are making strides to take care of our resources. We're not the ones who need to be more regulated. We need the bad apples that have existed for decades in the same places and communities to quit being a drain on our resources. That is the call of the DCNR, and once that call is answered people will be more receptive to more regulation on better than 16 million privately owned acres in Alabama !

You sir are 100% correct! That's a great post.

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