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Re: Would you shoot it or let it walk? [Re: CNC] #1653476
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i'd let her walk . maybe she would have a buck just like her .

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Re: Would you shoot it or let it walk? [Re: CNC] #1653477
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I'd let her walk!

Re: Would you shoot it or let it walk? [Re: CNC] #1653486
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If I need one in the freezer, she gone.


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Re: Would you shoot it or let it walk? [Re: Stikman] #1653573
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Originally Posted By: Stikman
Originally Posted By: BhamFred
to me personally, an albino or piebald is too beautiful and rare just to kill it, I'd rather look at it.


Piebald and albinos are totally different. Piebald is a genetic mutation were other abnormalities also occur. Albinism is a complete lack of pigment with no evidence of abnormal growth occurring although many lack the eyesight of a normal deer. Unlike piebald deer, these deer are normal except for lacking the gene(s) for color. True albinos have pink eyes and white hooves whereas white deer are just that a "white deer" having normal eyes, nose, and hooves.


thanks, I didn't know any of that.... rolleyes rolleyes


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Re: Would you shoot it or let it walk? [Re: BhamFred] #1653583
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Originally Posted By: BhamFred
Originally Posted By: Stikman
Originally Posted By: BhamFred
to me personally, an albino or piebald is too beautiful and rare just to kill it, I'd rather look at it.


Piebald and albinos are totally different. Piebald is a genetic mutation were other abnormalities also occur. Albinism is a complete lack of pigment with no evidence of abnormal growth occurring although many lack the eyesight of a normal deer. Unlike piebald deer, these deer are normal except for lacking the gene(s) for color. True albinos have pink eyes and white hooves whereas white deer are just that a "white deer" having normal eyes, nose, and hooves.


thanks, I didn't know any of that.... rolleyes rolleyes


So, you old dawg, you learn something new here? rolleyes grin


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Re: Would you shoot it or let it walk? [Re: Cuz-Pat] #1653589
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Deer hunters beat each other up way too much.

Harold asked a question. Everyone has different opinions and ideas and answers.

Doesn't make what I would do right or it doesn't make it wrong. The same goes for everyone else's answers.

There is no right or wrong answer here on this opinion based question.

We all just need to learn to read and respect each others opinions/ideas and then just mosey on down the road...



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Re: Would you shoot it or let it walk? [Re: CNC] #1653599
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Re: Would you shoot it or let it walk? [Re: CNC] #1653603
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There was a time when I wouldn’t have even given it a second thought before pulling the trigger. I actually killed a little buck once upon a time just because I thought it was a piebald. Turned out it was just really skint up and missing patches of hair. I’ve got a lot different way of looking at killing something these days. Back then I wanted to kill it cause it was different or unique. Now that’s the very same reason why I would let the doe walk. That’s what most people who "wouldn’t shoot it" would probably say as well. However, to add a little twist to the scenario……let a buck walk by with a drop tine and most would probably shoot him for being unique or different even if it was a buck they may have not shot otherwise.

How is that really any different?

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Re: Would you shoot it or let it walk? [Re: CNC] #1653631
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we need a "sarcastic " thingy......


and I agree with Cuz and CNC on this...


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Re: Would you shoot it or let it walk? [Re: bamaeyedoc] #1653636
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Originally Posted By: bamaeyedoc
Originally Posted By: Stikman
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I would not shoot her. We are protecting three piebalds that have been on the farm a couple years.

What is your purpose for protecting a piebald in your heard?
Although they are unique and to me absolutely beautiful, this trait is genetic and causes other problems. Unlike true albinos, piebald deer have brown eyes and black hooves. The piebald condition is frequently associated with other harmful physical conditions, including skeletal deformities, dorsal bowing of the nose, short/deformed legs, curved spine, short lower mandible, and internal organ deformities. Piebald deer are rare, typically occurring at less than one percent of the population.


Ever seen a pie-bald where we hunt?

Dr. B


Seems like my great uncle killed one down there years ago


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Re: Would you shoot it or let it walk? [Re: CNC] #1653663
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I've seen three hunting. My brother killed one, a nice 10 point he mounted, on a man drive 25 years ago. I jumped him up and missed and he killed it. Neither of us knew he was piebald until he was dead. probably wouldn't have changed the out come as he was a big racked older deer for the area. I had a lease in Georgia that had a decent piebald 8 point on it, that I saw a couple of times. Could've killed easily, just didn't, mainly because I wouldn't have mounted it and thought it deserved to be on display if he got shot. The other was a doe that I saw once as a guest on a friends club. Never considered shooting it, as I rarely shoot a doe anymore, but they did later in the season. All that said, I guess it would depend on my mood that day, whether I would shoot a piebald deer.

Re: Would you shoot it or let it walk? [Re: CNC] #1653670
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Originally Posted By: CNC
There was a time when I wouldn’t have even given it a second thought before pulling the trigger. I actually killed a little buck once upon a time just because I thought it was a piebald. Turned out it was just really skint up and missing patches of hair. I’ve got a lot different way of looking at killing something these days. Back then I wanted to kill it cause it was different or unique. Now that’s the very same reason why I would let the doe walk. That’s what most people who "wouldn’t shoot it" would probably say as well. However, to add a little twist to the scenario……let a buck walk by with a drop tine and most would probably shoot him for being unique or different even if it was a buck they may have not shot otherwise.

How is that really any different?



I wouldn't shoot a buck just because it had a droptine, either.


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Re: Would you shoot it or let it walk? [Re: Shaw] #1653674
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Originally Posted By: Shaw
If I need one in the freezer, she gone.


+1; for the record, I saw a piebald deer a few years back, and let it walk; didn't need one for the freezer back then... It was cool to watch her graze around & feed...

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Re: Would you shoot it or let it walk? [Re: CNC] #1653712
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Re: Would you shoot it or let it walk? [Re: Stikman] #1653773
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Originally Posted By: Stikman
Originally Posted By: BhamFred
to me personally, an albino or piebald is too beautiful and rare just to kill it, I'd rather look at it.


Piebald and albinos are totally different. Piebald is a genetic mutation were other abnormalities also occur. Albinism is a complete lack of pigment with no evidence of abnormal growth occurring although many lack the eyesight of a normal deer. Unlike piebald deer, these deer are normal except for lacking the gene(s) for color. True albinos have pink eyes and white hooves whereas white deer are just that a "white deer" having normal eyes, nose, and hooves.

Also Dr B quite a few years back along the big creek to our south we kill 1 buck that didn't have any white whatsoever! His underside looked like a normal brown coat and the rest of the coat was almost black! I'll look through my albums and find the old Polaroid picture.


thats not exactly accurate, both are genetic and are very similar. So similar that in dogs it usually takes genetic testing to determine which one it is. Also albinos have more problems than just eyesight, some are born deaf, they have skin problems, not to mention other problems such as such as depressed immune systems, kidney failure, liver failure, anemia and neurological disorders.


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It is a genetic defect that often causes many types of deformations of the lips, nose, and body.

They usually have shorter legs etc... They may look nice and pretty for a full body mount. But I can promise that you do not want the genetics being passed around.

Re: Would you shoot it or let it walk? [Re: CNC] #1654498
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Gets a pass from me. I've only seen two while hunting. One doe and one small buck. Both got a pass.

If it were a 5 yr old buck with a nice rack, I might have a harder time letting him go.

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Read all the posts and have to agree with bhamfred and others, I'd just enjoy watching her. If you need something in the freezer and are a decent hunter AND have a decent place to hunt, surely you'll see another deer before the season is over.


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Originally Posted By: goodman_hunter
Originally Posted By: Stikman
Originally Posted By: BhamFred
to me personally, an albino or piebald is too beautiful and rare just to kill it, I'd rather look at it.


Piebald and albinos are totally different. Piebald is a genetic mutation were other abnormalities also occur. Albinism is a complete lack of pigment with no evidence of abnormal growth occurring although many lack the eyesight of a normal deer. Unlike piebald deer, these deer are normal except for lacking the gene(s) for color. True albinos have pink eyes and white hooves whereas white deer are just that a "white deer" having normal eyes, nose, and hooves.

Also Dr B quite a few years back along the big creek to our south we kill 1 buck that didn't have any white whatsoever! His underside looked like a normal brown coat and the rest of the coat was almost black! I'll look through my albums and find the old Polaroid picture.


thats not exactly accurate, both are genetic and are very similar. So similar that in dogs it usually takes genetic testing to determine which one it is. Also albinos have more problems than just eyesight, some are born deaf, they have skin problems, not to mention other problems such as such as depressed immune systems, kidney failure, liver failure, anemia and neurological disorders.



Albino: Among the questions most often asked are "What causes some deer to be albinos?" "How common are they?" "Are they protected?" and "Can they reproduce?" Albinism is a recessive trait found in mammals, birds, reptiles, fish and even plants. These plants and animals do not have the gene for normal coloration and do not produce the enzyme responsible for skin, hair and tissue coloration. Albinism is the total absence of body pigment. The eyes of an albino are pink, because blood vessels behind the lenses show through the unpigmented irises. As you might guess, albinism is not a desirable trait for either predators or prey species. Being totally white year-round makes concealment difficult. Also, many albinos have poor eyesight. In the game of life, where survival of the fittest is the rule, albinos have a strike against them from the start. Perhaps that is why albinos are rare.Because albinism is a recessive trait, both parents must carry the gene before it can occur in their offspring. An albino deer bred to another albino would have only albinos. An albino bred to a normal deer with no recessive genes for albinism would produce all normally pigmented deer. Offspring from this cross would carry the recessive gene for albinism but would be normally colored. When carriers of albinism breed there is a one-in-four chance they will produce an albino fawn. Recessive genetic traits typically become less common unless they confer a survival advantage or are artificially enhanced through selective breeding. Based on hunter reports, about one deer in 30,000 is an albino. Not all white deer are true albinos. Some white whitetails have normally pigmented noses, eyes and hooves. This is a genetic mutation for hair color but not other pigments. This genetic mutation is a result calle piebald. Piebald deer have patches of white hair but are otherwise normally colored. Piebalds are thought to be more common than albinos. Depending on what part of the country you are from these deer are sometimes referred to as pintos and come in various amounts of white and brown. Unlike Albinism, piebalds with their genetic mutation suffer from a long list of other abnormalities of the skeleton to organ failure.

This was taken directly from North American Whitetail.
I'm no expert in deer but I do read a lot about them!

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