I’m hoping there’s a few less does on my place at dark today

How would you go about figuring out your doe to buck ratio if you wanted to do it yourself?

16 does 3 spikes. I

Do a camera survey. There’s several good ones on line. MSU has a good pdf on their deer lab site that explains how to accurately conduct a survey.

If you shoot the does you will see more bucks?

100% False Statement. You will see less deer overall.

1) There is NOWHERE in this state that is overpopulated with deer. Show me and area with starving deer. You cant. Let's end that asinine assumption right there. If it exists in some local area that does not impact the entire State, fine but the rules Statewide are shoot everything you see.

#1 doesn't exist as an excuse for a Statewide open season.

2) Shoot 10 does and draw XX number of bucks off your neighbor's property because you have better habitat? Really? .

How about this.... and it doesn't take a college degree in deer management to understand - if you leave the 10 does and they drop one fawn each... you will have 5 bucks just using 50%. What if some drop 2 fawns then what? How many bucks do you have next year then? Are you gonna draw 8 bucks off your neighbors property because you have better habitat? If your neighbor was overpopulated with bucks how did that even happen? What? You hunting on 10,000 acres or something? It is not possible unless you are shooting all the small bucks yourself creating a circular problem. Those facts are like Adam Shiff's fact pattern. They don't support each other.

#2 is stupid.

3) What if you neighbor blasts every spike that walks past? You aren't seeing any bucks but read on ALDeer to blast does. You shoot 10. Next season you have 20 less deer, minimum. Some of which were and will die of natural causes either way.

#3 is stupid.


This is the EXACT problem with the State's management plan.


Most importantly I want to qualify my argument.... We shot several deer including does last 2 weeks on our place. We took out a couple older does that were punks and would come around the shooting house and start blowing every time someone was in it. Shot one that looked sick. One three legged buck 1/2 rack hobbling around buck that must have been hit by a car or got caught in a fence.

That is a picture of proper deer management.

I am not against shooting does.

I am against the above mentality that is - shoot deer you will have more deer.

Dumbest thing I have ever heard in my life.

Okay.

Name calling will get you nowhere in life.

I am not calling anyone Stupid. I am calling the theory Stupid.

It is a total and absolute loss of common sense.

That's you're opinion.

That's right.

Animals do not have common sense. They don't have the ability to reason or feel emotions or send valentines flowers.
They are wild and they operate on pure primal instinct. This is the single most difficult aspect for humans to comprehend.

Your damnit. Your

Thought it was youir?

Use to is write.

I dont know the statics. But I hunt 200 acres south Chilton. I had 4 good bucks coming
regularly with 3 spikes and 4 does.They were business as usual until gun season started.
For the last 2 weeks I put out 300 pounds of corn, the deer has disappeared completely.
The land is and always been really good to hold big deer.
All I can figure is the neighbors has pulled them.
One of my problems is the neighbor has alot of land,and is a big
Time farmer who shoots alot of deer off his crops at night and throughout
The summer. They do get the proper permit so they are legal. In my opinion
Chilton County does not have a great population to do this. I'm in a club in
Cossa County now I see deer all the time there.

Are you saying that a lack of does will somehow attract more bucks, outside of the rut? How is this possible?

More food and less stress.

Does will eat the racks off the bucks if they could.

Oh, they're not saying kill all your does, just then them out for a balanced herd.

I have hunted 3 afternoons and seen 24 bucks.
I did not keep up with the # of does. But, it was about the same, or less. And, several of those ‘does’ were fawns that may well have been bucks. But they were unantlered deer.