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Re: The Gospel?
[Re: Farmer Brown]
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09/29/20 04:53 PM
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Spot on PCP. The Gospel is defined simply in 1 Corinthians 15:1-3. How to receive the Gospel is found in Romans 10:9-13. Thank you, my friend, and that is a great way to explain it. I'll try to expand on what you said. There is an incredible amount of doctrine in the Bible, but that isn't the same thing as the gospel. The gospel is just the 3 simple facts Paul presented in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 - Christ died on the cross for our sins, was buried, and rose again the third day according to the scriptures. Those 3 facts are expounded upon over and over throughout both the OT and the NT, but that doesn't add or take away from the simple message of the gospel. Read all the sermons preserved in Acts, and you will that the gospel is the core message of every one of them. A lot of the discussion in this thread is about something different than the definition of the gospel. I would say this in reference to some of the discussion here - we do indeed have the Written Word, which is the Bible, and the Living Word, who is Christ in the person of the Holy Spirit. But they NEVER contradict one another. Studying the Written Word prepares one to hear and understand the Living Word. So many of the problems the church has experienced through the centuries came about when people were convinced that the Holy Spirit told them to do something that directly contradicts scripture. That doesn't happen.
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Re: The Gospel?
[Re: BPI]
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09/29/20 06:49 PM
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Where do you think he Scriptures came from RH ? That's right, the Holy Spirit.
You're talking past me again brother. I don't disagree that the Holy Spirit is paramount to the believer... but how exactly do you think we are supposed to understand how the Holy Spirit works , moves , and operates ? Through scripture. Abd what you're saying about concerning scripture is true... people pick theological hills to die on , so to speak, and leave out the main thing which is our love for God and people. But if you'll notice I said that those topics which aren't salvic in nature are okay to debate and I don't get wound up over those. It's those which are salvic in nature that need to be explained and be non-negotiable.
You did bring up a good point about people isolating scripture and defending their own interpretation of it. I agree.
But will you agree that people do the same exact think with the Holy Spirit ? For instance , some Pentecostals ( not all ya'll ) going banana's running the pews and barking like dogs, but yet can't seem to articulate what it even means to be saved ? Those who would call down fire on nasty ol' sinners because they say the Sprit told them to. Then worst of all - those Charlatan's who would pretend to heal the sick and do NOT have the gift of healing ( I've often wondered why they don't go to St Jude's and clean the place out )..
That knife cuts both ways bro. I will leave you with this one for now....
2 Tim. 3 Verses 16-17
"All scripture is given BY INSPIRATION OF GOD, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, That the man of God may be perfect, throulghly furnished unto all good works>"
Christ Himself knew the importance of the scriptures ( they were His after all )
Luke 16- 31
" And He said unto him, if they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Also - What did Christ recite when he was at His weakest point after fasting for 40 days and the enemy came knocking ? - Scripture.
The point is that what you think God is telling you is a lot more important than what he told someone else. I ask people what God is saying,not what did God say. It's a huge difference that I don't think you understand or are you ready to accept. Have a nice day my friend. Not sure how you arrived on that opinion because I don't believe for a second that God thinks what I'm hearing from Him is more important than what anyone else is . Also, a lot of what God "is saying" to me every day is spoken to me from what "He already said" through His word. . Funny how it works that way. As far as being ready to accept it, or that I'm not able to understand , or "get" what your saying....I'm not buying it. Just because someone disagrees with you, doesn't mean they don't get you. It simply means they disagree. I also find it ironic that you say I'm claiming that what God is telling me is more important than what He's telling others ..... as you inform me I'm unable to understand or accept what's been revealed to you. That's kind of an oxymoron. You missed it and apparently took it as an insult. What I am saying is that the most important thing to anybody should be what God is telling them to do on a personal basis. The scriptures shouldn't be taken as a book of what God wants you to do. It should be a book that leads you to personal relationship and communication with God. That's exactly what the Bible teaches,especially the book of Hebrews.
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Re: The Gospel?
[Re: poorcountrypreacher]
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09/29/20 06:53 PM
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Spot on PCP. The Gospel is defined simply in 1 Corinthians 15:1-3. How to receive the Gospel is found in Romans 10:9-13. Thank you, my friend, and that is a great way to explain it. I'll try to expand on what you said. There is an incredible amount of doctrine in the Bible, but that isn't the same thing as the gospel. The gospel is just the 3 simple facts Paul presented in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 - Christ died on the cross for our sins, was buried, and rose again the third day according to the scriptures. Those 3 facts are expounded upon over and over throughout both the OT and the NT, but that doesn't add or take away from the simple message of the gospel. Read all the sermons preserved in Acts, and you will that the gospel is the core message of every one of them. A lot of the discussion in this thread is about something different than the definition of the gospel. I would say this in reference to some of the discussion here - we do indeed have the Written Word, which is the Bible, and the Living Word, who is Christ in the person of the Holy Spirit. But they NEVER contradict one another. Studying the Written Word prepares one to hear and understand the Living Word. So many of the problems the church has experienced through the centuries came about when people were convinced that the Holy Spirit told them to do something that directly contradicts scripture. That doesn't happen. I would say that's the traditional belief. What do you think about the book of Hebrews saying that God preached the gospel to Abraham,saying in him all nations shall be blessed? I doubt God told the Jesus story to him.
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Re: The Gospel?
[Re: MarksOutdoors]
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09/29/20 07:28 PM
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Re: The Gospel?
[Re: poorcountrypreacher]
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09/30/20 06:51 AM
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Spot on PCP. The Gospel is defined simply in 1 Corinthians 15:1-3. How to receive the Gospel is found in Romans 10:9-13. Thank you, my friend, and that is a great way to explain it. I'll try to expand on what you said. There is an incredible amount of doctrine in the Bible, but that isn't the same thing as the gospel. The gospel is just the 3 simple facts Paul presented in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 - Christ died on the cross for our sins, was buried, and rose again the third day according to the scriptures. Those 3 facts are expounded upon over and over throughout both the OT and the NT, but that doesn't add or take away from the simple message of the gospel. Read all the sermons preserved in Acts, and you will that the gospel is the core message of every one of them. A lot of the discussion in this thread is about something different than the definition of the gospel. I would say this in reference to some of the discussion here - we do indeed have the Written Word, which is the Bible, and the Living Word, who is Christ in the person of the Holy Spirit. But they NEVER contradict one another. Studying the Written Word prepares one to hear and understand the Living Word. So many of the problems the church has experienced through the centuries came about when people were convinced that the Holy Spirit told them to do something that directly contradicts scripture. That doesn't happen. Awesome explanation PCP
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Re: The Gospel?
[Re: R_H_Clark]
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09/30/20 06:54 AM
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poorcountrypreacher
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Spot on PCP. The Gospel is defined simply in 1 Corinthians 15:1-3. How to receive the Gospel is found in Romans 10:9-13. Thank you, my friend, and that is a great way to explain it. I'll try to expand on what you said. There is an incredible amount of doctrine in the Bible, but that isn't the same thing as the gospel. The gospel is just the 3 simple facts Paul presented in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 - Christ died on the cross for our sins, was buried, and rose again the third day according to the scriptures. Those 3 facts are expounded upon over and over throughout both the OT and the NT, but that doesn't add or take away from the simple message of the gospel. Read all the sermons preserved in Acts, and you will that the gospel is the core message of every one of them. A lot of the discussion in this thread is about something different than the definition of the gospel. I would say this in reference to some of the discussion here - we do indeed have the Written Word, which is the Bible, and the Living Word, who is Christ in the person of the Holy Spirit. But they NEVER contradict one another. Studying the Written Word prepares one to hear and understand the Living Word. So many of the problems the church has experienced through the centuries came about when people were convinced that the Holy Spirit told them to do something that directly contradicts scripture. That doesn't happen. I would say that's the traditional belief. What do you think about the book of Hebrews saying that God preached the gospel to Abraham,saying in him all nations shall be blessed? I doubt God told the Jesus story to him. It's really ironic that you would ask me that question. The last sermon I preached, 2 weeks ago, answered that very question. God preached the gospel to Abraham in the events of Genesis 22. It's 2 parallel stories filled with similarities, and one major difference - God spared Abraham's son, but He did not spare His own Son. God didn't just tell the gospel to Abraham; He made him experience it.
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Re: The Gospel?
[Re: R_H_Clark]
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09/30/20 06:55 AM
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You missed it and apparently took it as an insult. What I am saying is that the most important thing to anybody should be what God is telling them to do on a personal basis. The scriptures shouldn't be taken as a book of what God wants you to do. It should be a book that leads you to personal relationship and communication with God. That's exactly what the Bible teaches,especially the book of Hebrews. I'm really thinking I got it RH... but like I was saying earlier, I simply disagree with you. And that's okay man. I'm not offended or bothered and hope I haven't offended or bothered you either. The biggest thing I believe we are disagreeing on is that you put personal experience and the understanding of God's will above scripture and I just can't do that. They work equally together. Both are from God and as PCP was saying, God is never going to contradict Himself.
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Re: The Gospel?
[Re: R_H_Clark]
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09/30/20 07:01 AM
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I would say that's the traditional belief. What do you think about the book of Hebrews saying that God preached the gospel to Abraham,saying in him all nations shall be blessed? I doubt God told the Jesus story to him. The book of Hebrews has the answer you're looking for RH. Hebrews 11 speaks of all of the OT saints being justified by faith in God. But there is more - toward the end of the chapter we see they were justified the same way we are verses 39-40 make it clear " These were all commended for their faith, yet none of them received what had been promised since God had planned something better for us so that only together with us would they be made perfect". The OT saints were justified for what Christ WOULD do, and the NT saints are justified for what Jesus ALREADY did. They looked forward to the promise, we look back at the promise. If anything the book of Hebrews makes it very clear that Christ alone justified all men past , present, and future Also, the entirety of scripture speaks of Christ, both old and new testament. The OT saints knew there would be a Messiah to come - because they studied scripture or they were divinely spoken to and wrote the scripture concerning the Messiah..
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Re: The Gospel?
[Re: BPI]
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09/30/20 08:32 AM
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You missed it and apparently took it as an insult. What I am saying is that the most important thing to anybody should be what God is telling them to do on a personal basis. The scriptures shouldn't be taken as a book of what God wants you to do. It should be a book that leads you to personal relationship and communication with God. That's exactly what the Bible teaches,especially the book of Hebrews. I'm really thinking I got it RH... but like I was saying earlier, I simply disagree with you. And that's okay man. I'm not offended or bothered and hope I haven't offended or bothered you either. The biggest thing I believe we are disagreeing on is that you put personal experience and the understanding of God's will above scripture and I just can't do that. They work equally together. Both are from God and as PCP was saying, God is never going to contradict Himself. Personal experience doesn't have anything to do with it. The purpose of scripture is to get you to the place where you are communicating with God. If your only direction from God comes from the bible,then you missed the whole point.
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