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Blaze orange before or after legal hunting times? #240376
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I sometimes don't wear my orange on the way to or from my stand in the dark.
What are the rules regarding when you are required to wear it? I just read on another topic how someone got a ticket after dark for wearing a hood over their orange cap.

Re: Blaze orange before or after legal hunting times? [Re: woodsnwater] #240383
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If your suppose to wear it when its dark I may be guilty not sure

Re: Blaze orange before or after legal hunting times? [Re: woodsnwater] #240395
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I understand the regs to say that you must wear it at all times while hunting. The only exception is when you are in tree stand 12 feet from the ground. I usually wear mine while in the tree stand.

My humble two cents


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Had a buddy got a ticket for not having his own walking back to the truck in the dark .

Re: Blaze orange before or after legal hunting times? [Re: Abram] #240412
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Originally Posted by Abram
I understand the regs to say that you must wear it at all times while hunting. The only exception is when you are in tree stand 12 feet from the ground. I usually wear mine while in the tree stand.

My humble two cents


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Re: Blaze orange before or after legal hunting times? [Re: woodsnwater] #240422
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Why wouldn't you wear it. If it keeps me from getting shot I'll wear it anytime. Should be common sense. Not law.


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I would think the most important times to wear orange would be walking to and from your stand whethter its legal shooting times or not. That is just common sense. Wearing orange is not to keep from being shot by legal, ethical hunters. It is to prevent being shot by novice and outlaw hunters. Any ethical hunter would not shoot at a target that they could not positively identify as a deer anyway. Getting a ticket would be the least of my worries.

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From the book:



HUNTER ORANGE REQUIREMENT FOR HUNTING
All persons hunting any wildlife species (except waterfowl, turkey and mourning dove and while hunting legally designated species during legal nighttime hours) during dates and in areas open by regulation to gun deer season are required to wear an outer garment above the waist with a minimum of 144 square inches of hunter orange or either a full-size hunter orange hat or cap. Hunters are not required to wear hunter orange when hunting from a stand elevated twelve (12) feet or more from the ground, when hunting in an enclosed box stand, when traveling in an enclosed vehicle, or when traveling on foot no more than twenty (20) feet directly between an operating enclosed vehicle and a stand where the hunter is exempt from the hunter orange requirement. The hunter orange must be worn when traveling on foot between an operating enclosed vehicle and exempt stand when the distance is more than a direct distance of twenty (20) feet. A small logo and/or printing is permitted on the front of hunter orange caps; otherwise, hunter orange must be of solid color and visible from any angle. Only hunter orange, commonly called blaze orange or ten-mile cloth, etc., is legal. The various shades of red, as well as camo-orange, are not legal.



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Re: Blaze orange before or after legal hunting times? [Re: Blessed] #240443
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Originally Posted by Blessed
Had a buddy got a ticket for not having his own walking back to the truck in the dark .


Same for a friend of mine.


Do you want to hear him gobble, or do you want to kill him.
Re: Blaze orange before or after legal hunting times? [Re: AUFish] #240448
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Originally Posted by AUFish
I would think the most important times to wear orange would be walking to and from your stand whethter its legal shooting times or not. That is just common sense. Wearing orange is not to keep from being shot by legal, ethical hunters. It is to prevent being shot by novice and outlaw hunters. Any ethical hunter would not shoot at a target that they could not positively identify as a deer anyway. Getting a ticket would be the least of my worries.


What he said. Last time I went hunting I had a camo beanie on with my orange hat over it. When I was riding back to camp on my 4 wheeler, my cap blew off. I could see it as soon as I turned the 4 wheeler sideways, with no lights shining on it. It was DARK, but the hunter orange was very visible. Why would you not wear it?


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Re: Blaze orange before or after legal hunting times? [Re: woodsnwater] #240457
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Re: Blaze orange before or after legal hunting times? [Re: doecommander] #240494
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Originally Posted by doecommander
From the book:



HUNTER ORANGE REQUIREMENT FOR HUNTING
All persons hunting any wildlife species (except waterfowl, turkey and mourning dove and while hunting legally designated species during legal nighttime hours) during dates and in areas open by regulation to gun deer season are required to wear an outer garment above the waist with a minimum of 144 square inches of hunter orange or either a full-size hunter orange hat or cap. Hunters are not required to wear hunter orange when hunting from a stand elevated twelve (12) feet or more from the ground, when hunting in an enclosed box stand, when traveling in an enclosed vehicle, or when traveling on foot no more than twenty (20) feet directly between an operating enclosed vehicle and a stand where the hunter is exempt from the hunter orange requirement. The hunter orange must be worn when traveling on foot between an operating enclosed vehicle and exempt stand when the distance is more than a direct distance of twenty (20) feet. A small logo and/or printing is permitted on the front of hunter orange caps; otherwise, hunter orange must be of solid color and visible from any angle. Only hunter orange, commonly called blaze orange or ten-mile cloth, etc., is legal. The various shades of red, as well as camo-orange, are not legal.



It might be from the book, but it's not the right book if you want the whole rule instead of a paraphrased version of it. If you compare the paragraph you posted from the Hunter's Digest to the official rule below, you will see they are different. Never rely on the Hunter's Digest for accuracy and complete rules.

The official Regulation Book 2011-2012 was posted for the first time online today (12/15/2011) on the DCNR's website with the official version of the 2011-2012 rules for hunting and fishing. It does not containg the game and fish laws as required by 9-2-8, the same law that authorizes the commissioner to make rules. [Linked Image]

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220-2-.85 Hunter Orange Requirement for Hunting and
Definition of Open Permit-Public Land

(1) All persons hunting any wildlife species, except turkey and migratory birds (including crows) and while hunting legally designated species during legal nighttime hours during dates and in areas open by regulation to gun deer season, including youth deer season and muzzleloader deer season, are required to wear an outer garment above the waist with a minimum of 144 square inches of hunter orange or either a full size hunter orange hat or cap. Hunters are not required to wear hunter orange when hunting from a stand elevated twelve (12) feet or more from the ground, when hunting in an enclosed box stand, when traveling in an enclosed vehicle, or when traveling on foot no more than twenty feet directly between an operating enclosed vehicle and a stand where the hunter is exempt from the hunter orange requirement. The hunter orange must be worn when traveling on foot between an operating enclosed vehicle and exempt stand when the distance is more than a direct distance of twenty feet. A small logo and/or printing is permitted on the front of hunter orange caps; otherwise, hunter orange must be of solid color and visible from any angle. Only hunter orange, commonly called blaze orange, ten mile cloth, etc., is legal. The various shades of red as well as camo orange are not legal.

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Originally Posted by hollywud20
Why wouldn't you wear it. If it keeps me from getting shot I'll wear it anytime. Should be common sense. Not law.


The only court opinion I find in caselaw contains a dissenting judge's opinion that supports your statement that it should be common sense and not law. The other two judges took a liberal approach. They called the DCNR's orange rule a stretch of it's authority, but they upheld the rule instead of supporting our constitution as they vowed.

Here's what the judge who honored his oath to support our constitution said:

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MONTIEL, CONCURRING IN PART, DISSENTING IN PART

I concur with the majority's holding in Parts I and III of the opinion. However, I must Dissent from the majority's holding in Part II of the opinion.

"As a general rule, the legislature may delegate to its own appointed administrative agencies the authority to make such minor rules and regulations as are necessary or appropriate for administration or enforcement of its general statutes."

Evers v. Board of Medical Examiners, 516 So.2d 650, 655 (Ala. Civ. App. 1987) (emphasis added). The offense of failure to wear hunter orange, which is a violation of Rule 220-2-.85 of the Conservation Department, constitutes a misdemeanor. The designation of conduct as a criminal offense is not a minor rule or regulation. "The law making power, invested exclusively in the Legislature, cannot be delegated to any other department of the government, or to any other agency, either public or private. . . . Official action cannot be made a rule or regulation merely by calling it a rule or regulation." State v. Vaughan, 30 Ala. App. 201, 203, 4 So. 2d 5 (1941) (holding that a rule made by the conservation department was unconstitutional because the rule accomplished results which could only be enacted by the Legislature). The designation of conduct as a criminal offense can only be done by the Legislature. The majority implicitly recognizes this by stating that "the hunter orange requirement should carry the prestige of a statute" and refers to the rule as a "stretch".

I believe that Rule 220-2-.85 is an unconstitutional usurpation of the power of the legislature. Therefore, I must Dissent.
[emphasis is mine]

The plaintiff was a juvenile, and the case was not appealed so we are stuck with the rule intil someone decides to challenge it.

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Oh Lord!! At the risk of sounding like 49er I have to bring up this point. First let me say I wear mine all the time whether in stand walking in or out, etc... But, how can the law make you wear one if you are walking out in the dark or at least past legal sunset? After sunset you are no longer hunting, or at least you shouldn't be. smile If you aren't hunting then they shouldn't be able to tell you you have to wear it. If they say you are still hunting then you would be guilty of hunting after legal sunset.


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Originally Posted by Skullworks
Originally Posted by Abram
I understand the regs to say that you must wear it at all times while hunting. The only exception is when you are in tree stand 12 feet from the ground. I usually wear mine while in the tree stand.

My humble two cents


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Re: Blaze orange before or after legal hunting times? [Re: woodsnwater] #240539
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I even were mine in the truck back to the house. Crap how hard is it to weara hat.


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Originally Posted by ford150man
Oh Lord!! At the risk of sounding like 49er I have to bring up this point. First let me say I wear mine all the time whether in stand walking in or out, etc... But, how can the law make you wear one if you are walking out in the dark or at least past legal sunset? After sunset you are no longer hunting, or at least you shouldn't be. smile If you aren't hunting then they shouldn't be able to tell you you have to wear it. If they say you are still hunting then you would be guilty of hunting after legal sunset.


Judge Montiel quoted this opinion in discussing the orange rule:
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"As a general rule, the legislature may delegate to its own appointed administrative agencies the authority to make such minor rules and regulations as are necessary or appropriate for administration or enforcement of its general statutes."

Evers v. Board of Medical Examiners, 516 So.2d 650, 655 (Ala. Civ. App. 1987) (emphasis added).


The DCNR has it backwards. They enforce their own rules while being complicit and allowing laws to be broken.

A primary duty of the DCNR is to administer and enforce the game and fish laws. The authority to make rules was authorized if it was necessary for the administration and enforcement of a law.

Which of the game and fish laws did the DCNR find it could not adminsister or enforce without having the hunter orange rule?

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Originally Posted by hollywud20
Why wouldn't you wear it. If it keeps me from getting shot I'll wear it anytime. Should be common sense. Not law.


If the bright light coming from my headlamp doesnt make one realize im not a deer then i doubt orange in the dark will.

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Probably 20 or so years ago I bought one of those orange camo coverall suits. Dang thing hurt my eyes to wear it, but we were dog hunting and it felt safer. Game warden told me it wasn't legal to depend on just the coverall for my orange requirement, had to wear a cap. Never did make sense to me, you could see the dang thing five miles.....

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Originally Posted by timbercruiser
Probably 20 or so years ago I bought one of those orange camo coverall suits. Dang thing hurt my eyes to wear it, but we were dog hunting and it felt safer. Game warden told me it wasn't legal to depend on just the coverall for my orange requirement, had to wear a cap. Never did make sense to me, you could see the dang thing five miles.....


I've still got a 1991-1992 Regulation Book. The rule contained the same wording it does now in regards to a garment or either a full size hat or cap:

1991-1992 Reg Book:
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... an outer garment above the waist with a minimum of 144 square inches of hunter orange or either a full size hunter orange hat or cap.


The game warden that told you that was wrong. Any one of the three meet the requirements of the rule.

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