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Hypothetical Mass question. #3906998
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This one may cause hard feelings but here's the deal. You and family are out anywhere and a mass murder event occurs you pull your edc and engage and since your a better shot than Dave you hit him and cause him to evade you but law enforcement fire drives him back towards you after you've pushed forward to better cover and reloaded you can see he's taken another hit or two and bleeding but he's still armed and law enforcement is moving quickly to surround him and your being ordered to stop your family is behind you at original cover spot but your still in danger. There are no wrong answers but I know what I'd do.


Skinny is my EX.Alcohol was involved.
Re: Hypothetical Mass question. [Re: dave260rem!] #3906999
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Longest sentence ever 😂

I’m kidding. If law enforcement says stop I’d probably stop unless he starts shooting at me. Since I have cover I should be good though. I don’t want to give the LEOs any reason to have any confusion for who the bad guy is for sure.

Last edited by Pwyse; 05/07/23 03:27 PM.
Re: Hypothetical Mass question. [Re: dave260rem!] #3907003
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If they are surrounding and he is not aiming at me or my family I would hold and see how it plays out. Definitely don't want to be shot by law enforcement so probably just stay in cover and wait it out.


"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it"
Re: Hypothetical Mass question. [Re: dave260rem!] #3907017
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If LE says to holster my firearm and my family and I are safe I will comply otherwise Houston we have a problem


When I need expert advice I tend to talk to myself
The older I get the better I used to be
Re: Hypothetical Mass question. [Re: dave260rem!] #3907022
05/07/23 04:16 PM
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Hahahaha...

My "edc" is a Kershaw pocket knife, a watch, a Pixel 5a and a front pocket wallet.

Re: Hypothetical Mass question. [Re: dave260rem!] #3907034
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Yeah Pwyse i can't type or spell very well and while there are no wrong answers let's review. #1 He's killed a number of people(make up your own number.) #2 He's shot at your family and you. #3 He's bleeding hurt but still active and able to do harm.#4 Hospital and funeral bills are more expensive than ammo. Spoken and written words are great wonderful and lovely Copper&Lead at speed solves problems better than words. Sure I'll be investigated maybe even charged but I KNOW a pos mass shooter won't hurt anybody else anymore. That's the Dave answer.


Skinny is my EX.Alcohol was involved.
Re: Hypothetical Mass question. [Re: dave260rem!] #3907047
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Re: Hypothetical Mass question. [Re: dave260rem!] #3907054
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Unless your family is still in eminent danger; when the cops show up looking for a guy with a gun; you don't want to be that guy.

Re: Hypothetical Mass question. [Re: wew3006] #3907086
05/07/23 06:27 PM
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Originally Posted by wew3006
Unless your family is still in eminent danger; when the cops show up looking for a guy with a gun; you don't want to be that guy.


Or mistaken for the one that they're looking for.

Re: Hypothetical Mass question. [Re: dave260rem!] #3907090
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"#2 He's shot at your family and you. "

Guess I missed that part in the original scenario?


"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it"
Re: Hypothetical Mass question. [Re: Pwyse] #3907096
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Originally Posted by Pwyse
Longest sentence ever 😂

I’m kidding. If law enforcement says stop I’d probably stop unless he starts shooting at me. Since I have cover I should be good though. I don’t want to give the LEOs any reason to have any confusion for who the bad guy is for sure.

This. Don't give a reason for an LEO to perforate you.


Dying ain't much of a living boy...Josey Wales

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Re: Hypothetical Mass question. [Re: dave260rem!] #3907102
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Why not just kill him and leave?

Re: Hypothetical Mass question. [Re: whack-n-stack] #3907136
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Originally Posted by whack-n-stack
Why not just kill him and leave?


I wouldn’t be able to do that myself. For one, it would look really bad to just leave that situation after killing someone, no matter who they are. It would be a tough one to explain to LE after they found out who killed the guy.

I’m also probably not mentally prepared to take a life and just walk away. No matter who or what they have done. Even trained military and LEOs have issues after taking a life. I think it is very easy to say or have in your mind how you would react in a certain situation but real life is not always the same. I could and would definitely protect my loved ones, but I would probably struggle afterwards with it in some capacity.

Re: Hypothetical Mass question. [Re: dave260rem!] #3907138
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the answer lies between john wick 3 and john wick 4. Maybe its time to watch less tv.

Re: Hypothetical Mass question. [Re: dave260rem!] #3907139
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I feel my first responsibility is to protect my family. Once I have shot him and he is evading me, if possible I move my family away to a safe area.

Re: Hypothetical Mass question. [Re: dave260rem!] #3907163
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Kill him and leave would be like SSS. He was the threat and the system will just let him back on the streets.Society is better off.

Re: Hypothetical Mass question. [Re: dave260rem!] #3907220
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Originally Posted by dave260rem!
This one may cause hard feelings but here's the deal. You and family are out anywhere and a mass murder event occurs you pull your edc and engage and since your a better shot than Dave you hit him and cause him to evade you but law enforcement fire drives him back towards you after you've pushed forward to better cover and reloaded you can see he's taken another hit or two and bleeding but he's still armed and law enforcement is moving quickly to surround him and your being ordered to stop your family is behind you at original cover spot but your still in danger. There are no wrong answers but I know what I'd do.

What is the question?

Re: Hypothetical Mass question. [Re: dave260rem!] #3907232
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Get your family and leave the area…..With law enforcement arriving and looking for an individual with a gun…don’t let make them mistake you for the perp. Adrenaline is running at its highest level. Even though law enforcement is trained, you are on the scene, with a gun……
Leave the scene and come forward later, explain your actions and be a witness.


Jerry W. Jackson
Re: Hypothetical Mass question. [Re: dave260rem!] #3907234
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I am just not walking around with a gun on my at all times. If I go shopping or take my wife out to eat, I am not carrying. And to be 100% honest, I don't have one country south alabama redneck friend who is always carrying. They may have a pistol in the truck but they are not walking around 24/7 with it. I don't even know a family member who is always carrying.

but if the police said to stop I would

Re: Hypothetical Mass question. [Re: bama_earl] #3907238
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Originally Posted by bama_earl
And to be 100% honest, I don't have one country south alabama redneck friend who is always carrying.


I have several scattered around, not necessarily in south alabam...one or two have backups and one has a backup for the backup, always.


experience is a freakin' awesome teacher....
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