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Re: Dr Ditchkoff on Hogs [Re: slippinlipjr] #4132591
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Guys - Dr However comes along with a study and that's also now FACT?

Hardly. I have a degree in Statistics. I can make a "study" or white paper say anything I want it to say. That's how this works. Ditchkoff's Bounty study is flawed at best. That should make you really consider that anything he has to say might need questioning

Now... I know y'all can't critically think, especially on your own..... but to me this is exactly like Trapping and what has happened there with the Fur Markets. Incentivize people. Coyotes are caught. No Incentive - No catches. Real simple.

Current State = Hogs are spreading like wildfire. There is no singular solution a bounty wouldn't solve the issue entirely but if something needs to be done today that's a place to start. Saying a Hog is nasty doesn't get anyone anywhere.

At some point you need to understand that formulating your own opinion, particularly if it involves common sense is a good habit.

Otherwise carry on as a windowlicker.

I have a very valuable degree in common sense. A LOT of it I learned the hard way. Best degree you'll ever come across.


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Re: Dr Ditchkoff on Hogs [Re: slippinlipjr] #4132594
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only true way is to trap. Trap trap trap and trap some more.. u trap a bunch the rest usually gets the memo for a little while


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Re: Dr Ditchkoff on Hogs [Re: slippinlipjr] #4132596
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Trapping is the only way. So what is the incentive to get out there and do it? Not much.

How do you fix that? Public Awareness doesn't lead to someone spending the required time to trap them. That should be obvious.

I trapped over 200 last year myself. They just keep coming. I do it because they are eating my crops. My neighbors have no incentive to do a dam thing and they don't. One tells me they ate up his yard. That's about the extent of the general publics effort.

Reality.

I'm open to suggestions. You couldn't get someone in my area to get off their couch and bait them it that was available and free dropped off on their doorstep. Appear to be putting too much effort into Home Schooling and making sure they don't work too hard.

I will also add that I have never been really impressed with what it took to get a biology degree.


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Re: Dr Ditchkoff on Hogs [Re: slippinlipjr] #4132598
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I love killing them any way i can....


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Re: Dr Ditchkoff on Hogs [Re: abolt300] #4132599
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The study we did was purely opportunistic, so was not really something we designed in a perfect scenario. But, I would disagree that the study design was flawed, etc. There are several areas on Benning that have access restrictions, like many military installations. These areas are large, and can also serve as a source population in some fashion. However, the spatial dynamics of pigs on Benning (Described Here) don't support the idea of the pigs using these areas as sanctuaries to avoid trapping, hunting, etc. The pigs on much of Benning exhibit high spatial fidelity and don't move very far across the landscape. The areas in which we studied the population during the bounty program had high access by trappers, hunters, etc. Yet, despite up to $40/pig, traps provided by the installation, free bait, and access to these areas and these pigs, the population increased.

So...not a perfect study design, but its imperfections were not limitations because of the biology of the animal in question.


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Re: Dr Ditchkoff on Hogs [Re: Shaneomac2] #4132600
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Originally Posted by Shaneomac2
only true way is to trap. Trap trap trap and trap some more.. u trap a bunch the rest usually gets the memo for a little while

There are so many of these evil bastages in some areas I don't know if we could trap them all. I really wish there was a bait killer like is discussed in the video. Hopefully they'll be able to get the kinks worked out soon so it doesn't kill anything else but the hogs.


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Re: Dr Ditchkoff on Hogs [Re: slippinlipjr] #4132602
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Originally Posted by slippinlipjr
Originally Posted by Goatkiller
I'm about tired of listening to these Dr Dumbasses theories about deer, hogs or whatever else they want pontificate about to get some notoriety and internet clicks.

Put a Bounty on the Hogs.... and they will die. We are NOT going to get rid of them doing what we are currently doing. The Feds and State have not gotten serious about getting rid of them yet.

Give people an incentive to kill them and maybe they will knock a dent. In our current state of affairs they are just continuing to spread. That's the reality of the situation.

Maybe divert some of that money from Ukraine or another black hole it's going in. There's PLENTY of money we printed near $100 Billion in March 2024 and may as well just taken it out in a California parking lot and set it on fire for a couple homeless to cook some crack over.


Yous angry about sumpin?


Looks like one of his normal, cheerful responses to me.



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Re: Dr Ditchkoff on Hogs [Re: slippinlipjr] #4132605
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What about the fact that when you introduce the participants in the bounty program that changes the entire landscape because now there is pressure on the hog population, baiting, a lot of human presence etc.

I think your initial spatial study is no longer valid.

Anyone on here should be able to understand that as we deer hunt and pressure, human presence whatever you want to call it changes EVERYTHING. No different with hogs.





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Re: Dr Ditchkoff on Hogs [Re: Goatkiller] #4132606
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Originally Posted by Goatkiller

What about the fact that when you introduce the participants in the bounty program that changes the entire landscape because now there is pressure on the hog population, baiting, a lot of human presence etc.

I think your initial spatial study is no longer valid.

Anyone on here should be able to understand that as we deer hunt and pressure, human presence whatever you want to call it changes EVERYTHING. No different with hogs.




well said


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Re: Dr Ditchkoff on Hogs [Re: slippinlipjr] #4132617
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I am confident that Wildlife Society Bulletin, the peer reviewed journal in which the bounty article was published, would be willing to publish a rebuttal article that describes the shortcomings of our original study. I’ll get email addresses and contact information for you if that would help.


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Re: Dr Ditchkoff on Hogs [Re: slippinlipjr] #4132624
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I'll pass I know where the hogs went. I don't need to spend any time on this I'm a lifetime student of Mother Nature. Despite the trail and error at times... She's been a pretty good teacher.


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Re: Dr Ditchkoff on Hogs [Re: slippinlipjr] #4132634
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At some point you need to understand that formulating your own opinion, particularly if it involves common sense is a good habit.

Otherwise carry on as a windowlicker. slap.... rofl


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Re: Dr Ditchkoff on Hogs [Re: Goatkiller] #4132650
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Originally Posted by Goatkiller
I'll pass I know where the hogs went. I don't need to spend any time on this I'm a lifetime student of Mother Nature. Despite the trail and error at times... She's been a pretty good teacher.


you one of them homeschooled fellers?


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Re: Dr Ditchkoff on Hogs [Re: XVIII] #4132656
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Originally Posted by XVIII
Originally Posted by Goatkiller
I'll pass I know where the hogs went. I don't need to spend any time on this I'm a lifetime student of Mother Nature. Despite the trail and error at times... She's been a pretty good teacher.


you one of them homeschooled fellers?


He probably brings his dog inside Jack's.


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Re: Dr Ditchkoff on Hogs [Re: slippinlipjr] #4132657
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Mr Steve. You seem too be the residence expert in here what do you think is the best way to get rid of them nasty critters when I had our lease in green county we was covered in them and we knocked a pretty good dent in them with some crazy and unconventional means methods


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Re: Dr Ditchkoff on Hogs [Re: Whild_Bill] #4132658
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Originally Posted by Whild_Bill
Mr Steve. You seem too be the residence expert in here what do you think is the best way to get rid of them nasty critters when I had our lease in green county we was covered in them and we knocked a pretty good dent in them with some crazy and unconventional means methods


That means they shot a bunch at night while drinking Bud Light. If they were drinking a better beer they would have killed all of them.


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Re: Dr Ditchkoff on Hogs [Re: slippinlipjr] #4132659
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Re: Dr Ditchkoff on Hogs [Re: slippinlipjr] #4132682
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Brushwhacker most likely had his success on his 3k acres due to consistency. He’s probably there all year round. Most farmers are. Hogs cant be eradicated in the wild with current methods and restrictions (imho). But they CAN be moved. Onto your neighbor and if he’ll cooperate onto the next one and so on and so on.

Private property is the largest hindrance. As GK states, whatever you do on parcel A only results in them moving to parcel B, C, or D.

I hunted 5 years with Barry Estes. A somewhat polarizing figure in some circles but a fine man and a damn good hog killer. We had a 5k acre place to hunt and he had access to trap the place to our east and some access to the N. The first two years I saw (and shot at) pigs on almost every hunt. 3rd year I saw very few. Last two years I never saw a pig. They were there but by God they were more cautious than they had been before they ran into BE. We shot all we saw but 90% of the removal (4-500 over 5 years) was Barry trapping. Almost exclusively in two spots. One trap never moved I don’t think.

Outside a fence the only way to keep them off is to work at it. 12 months a year. Shooting and trapping only during hunting season doesn’t work. Especially if your neighbor is working on them in the off season. He’s moving them back onto you.

Re: Dr Ditchkoff on Hogs [Re: slippinlipjr] #4132684
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Guys, dont any of yall pay.any attention? we take care of climate change the hog problem goes away.


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Re: Dr Ditchkoff on Hogs [Re: Goatkiller] #4132693
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Originally Posted by Goatkiller
I'm about tired of listening to these Dr Dumbasses theories about deer, hogs or whatever else they want pontificate about to get some notoriety and internet clicks.

Put a Bounty on the Hogs.... and they will die. We are NOT going to get rid of them doing what we are currently doing. The Feds and State have not gotten serious about getting rid of them yet.

Give people an incentive to kill them and maybe they will knock a dent. In our current state of affairs they are just continuing to spread. That's the reality of the situation.

Maybe divert some of that money from Ukraine or another black hole it's going in. There's PLENTY of money we printed near $100 Billion in March 2024 and may as well just taken it out in a California parking lot and set it on fire for a couple homeless to cook some crack over.




we humans can wipe out any animal we wish too . we done over and over in the past . you got the ones that says it can be done and the ones that ties ever body hands with reg's. you get they people and a few more with the ethic bs views . they be gone . and ,,,,, you got the hunters thatll pass them up because it might mess up thier hunt in they shot . reg's and bs .

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