My bedtime I read a lot of those calvanists beliefs and some are good spirit lead points. To tired to study it tonight I don’t know enough about it to comment. I still say the trumpet in first Thessalonians comes before the 7 in Revelation though. Whole different seen on earth then the 7th trumpet being the same. And I can’t see it being the same if you read Thessalonians 5 and Revelation 3 who knows we will find out pretty quick though I believe

I dont know whos right. Theres alot of opinions and theories. I believe we have to reconcile everything the word says. Theres ALOT of it i dont understand. But if it says it, i believe it.

Yes, he was an angel that rebelled. However, God is omniscient so He knew satan would rebel but still created him anyway.

Just a thought I ponder on sometimes.

There was a time before the foundations of the earth that only God existed, the trinity. They had a plan and satan was part of it. We were also part of it. We have free will. Angels were created to serve God but satan also appears to have free will. Nevertheless, the end result is Gods glory. Thats the purpose of all of it, to glorify God. The whole plan was made for that purpose. Thats my opinion anyhow

When Jesus is in the clouds it is for the rapture, not same as him coming back after the Tribulation is over. He only comes back once.

Kyles you mention Jeremiah 30 and the Tribulation on Israel and not the church. That is a topic that was explained to my why pretrib is when the rapture will happen, The church is never mentioned again in revelation after the first 3 chapters. That would would lead one to believe that the church was raptured before the tribulation.

Yessir the way things are going I am about ready lol Of course anybody does not want to see lost people miss it

Same for me, Matt. After reading the scriptures myself, I now believe that the post-mill position is the one most supported by the Bible, history, and the early church.

Let me throw a monkey wrench in this discussion. There are other beliefs besides Pre, Mid and Post. There's lots of people that believe, what is called Preterist and Partial Preterist.

I was raised old time Pentecostal, so I was taught pre tribe. Along my journey with the Lord, I've come to recognize and learn from many sources. I kind of take a step back from the mountain and try to see the whole picture rather than standing at the foot of it and seeing only one spot.

I see all sides of all the arguments for or against the main beliefs I listed above. So, after 32 years all I really know is I accept Christ and I don't know when He's coming back, but He is and when He does, I AM Ready!

I do however greatly enjoy the comments and reading all of the religious posts, whether I chime in or not.

Yessir to that

Just now had time to read through this, and would like to make a point - there is no SBC position on any of this. Some of you may have attended an SBC church who had a pastor that taught pre-trib rapture, but it was just his position. When I attended New Orleans, a big majority of my professors were amillennials. So you can find SBC pastors with most every sort of belief on it.

I would advise everyone to reject every system - they all have holes in them because they are all manmade. Any system of eschatology has to take difficult passages and take a firm stand on them in order to develop the system, and they may well be wrong. I'd rather emphasize the things that are clear and admit that we can't know on some of the details.

The primary prophetic theme of the OT is that a Messiah is coming to Israel and will rule the world from Jerusalem. The NT reveals that Messiah to be Jesus. One of the reasons Israel rejected Him was He didn't fit their interpretation of prophecy, and that's not surprising. There's not a passage in the OT that says He was coming twice, but He is. The NT reveals that He will return and rule for 1000 years. That's when the prophecies we see in the OT will be fulfilled. I believe that the Bible is very clear on all of these points.

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Theres quite a few people around here who believe Jesus coming back in the clouds is the only time he will come back. After that is the earth melting with a fervant heat. Ive heard that preached all my life. And they will often say "there will be no 1000 year reign", or "there will be no kingdom here on earth". I dont know what they do about Zechariah 14:4. I dont know how they explain satan being bound for 1000 years, or about half of the rest of Revalations. I can tell you this, it dont get discussed much.

My understanding also as it was explained by Col. Ken Robert's in Sunday School at Shiloh Baptist in Sardis, AL. When Jesus does come back after the Tribulation, it will be to wage war and defeat the Antichrist and begin his 1000 year reign of peace on earth. This is when I understand that every knee will bow, literally, and the Jews will accept Him as the Savior. Now if any of y'all want to get into what happens to the Earth after the 1000 years, have at it, but I believe that this is it for mankind, at least in human form. How does the earth end? I don't know and really don't care since I won't be here to watch it. I will be watching from afar, but with little interest since I will be in the presence of my Lord and Savior.

Revelation 21 will tell you that

Perry Stone can sure do some explaining about all this. I know some of you would NEVER sit through any of his teaching because hes another denomination. He sure seems to know alot about it and does a really good job explaining it, if hes right. It is veey clear he has spent a whole lot of time researcing it and studying it. I have no idea if hes right. I cant keep up with him. But he dose go through the bibleand read the scriptures and give an interpretation of them. He does not leave anything out. I do appreciate that

a jesuit named alcasar is the one who originated the preterist position that said the anti christ came in the past around 70 a.d. ribera said no no no he's gonna come way of in the future. they did that because the protestants knew he was here already so to take the focus off the little horn power the papacy one jesuit said he came way in the past the other jesuit said he gonna come way in the future..the truth is that the anti christ is here now....the papacy is the little horn power that slaughtered Bible believing Christians by the millions.

Concerning Matthew 24:1-35, what is being prophesied is the destruction of Jerusalem and the temple whereas the rest of the chapter separately addresses the day of judgement. Christ concludes by saying that all those things would happen in that generation. Also consider verse 14 that says the end will follow the gospel having been preached to all nations. This had already happened prior to 70 AD (Col 1:23). Was Christ’s timeline wrong? Secular history tells that over 1 million Jews were killed when Rome (the abomination) destroyed Jerusalem and Judaism yet not a single Christian perished because they took heed to Jesus’s warnings detailed in the first part of Matthew 24. “Truly I tell you this generation will not pass until all these things have happened.” Similarly, the idea of the “antichrist” was different than what many believe today. Every mention of “antichrist” by John was current and plural in nature (1 John 2:18-22, 4:3). “Even now many antichrists have come.”

The prophecies of the Old Testament all point to Christ and His kingdom. We learn in the NT that this kingdom is not earthly (John 18:36) as the Jews expected, that it was “at hand” all throughout Jesus’s ministry, and that it was successfully established (Mark 1:15, Matt 16:18-19, Acts 2:36, Col 1:13, Rev 1:6). All of the promises have been fulfilled, including the promises made to Abraham and his heirs (those of faith/those who belong to Christ). The kingdom is current and spiritual in nature and not dependent on physical lineage.

Concerning Revelation, it was relevant to the people it was written to, the early church. The events described therein were to “shortly take place” (Rev 1:1,3). John ends the book with a warning “Do not seal the words of the prophecy of this book, for the time is at hand” (Rev 22:10). John identifies himself as a “companion in the tribulation” (1:7). No doubt that the early church was to be faced with atrocities and challenges. Revelation was largely centered around the fact that God always wins and encouragement to the early church to endure to the end.

Revelations 20 and the 1000 year reign… don’t get so hung up on “1000”. The book begins with the fact that it is written in symbolic language. Psalm 50:10 says that to God belongs “the cattle on 1000 hills”. Does God only own a very specific amount of cattle on a very specific 1000 hills? 1000 years is simply symbolic for “a long time”. It’s not so confusing when you read it like this… “They came to life and reigned with Christ for a long time. (The rest of the dead did not come to life until the long time was ended.) this is the first resurrection. Blessed and holy are those who share in the first resurrection. The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with Him for a long time.” For those who have been baptized into Christ, the first death to sin and resurrection as a new creation has already happened, and the second death has no power over them (Romans 6:1-14). These are currently a “chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, God’s special possession” and are currently ruling together with Christ in His current kingdom, the church. As for the “rest of the dead”, they were not unified with Christ in death to sin like His and therefore can’t be united with Christ in a resurrection like His. The second death (eternal death) has complete power over them. They didn’t take part in the first resurrection (born again) rather they are resurrected unto death at judgement (John 5:29). The “1000-year reign” is nothing more than the dispensation of the church. We have been in the “last days” since the establishment of the church in Acts and there is nothing left except the judgement.

Interesting and informative posts as yours always are. Now break it down to what you believe that the timeline is in simple terms lol. Don’t leave out that Satan will be bound for a 1000 years. Finish up with what you think is the explanation of acts 7:5. I enjoy your posts