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Re: Abortion
[Re: deerman24]
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11/04/24 08:55 AM
11/04/24 08:55 AM
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One person asked "where does it say that in the bible" Try the 10 commandments as a starter While murder may be an abomination it in no way will send you to hell. The only way you go to hell is by not accepting the saving grace of Jesus Christ. The 10 commandments are absolutely great things to live by but they will not determine eternity. If they do then there was no point in Jesus death and resurrection.
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Re: Abortion
[Re: deerman24]
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11/04/24 09:08 AM
11/04/24 09:08 AM
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Dale County, AL
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One person asked "where does it say that in the bible" Try the 10 commandments as a starter This was your statement, "Ido read the bible regularly and killing of unborn babies is an abomination and will send you to hell, fast. Sorry for your beliefs and I will not comment on this subject further." No where can you support that in the Bible does it state or support - is an abomination and will send you to hell, fast.
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Re: Abortion
[Re: Nightwatchman]
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11/04/24 09:48 AM
11/04/24 09:48 AM
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Mobile, AL
Pwyse
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Tough question:
If your wife or daughter were raped and got pregnant, would you push to have the baby aborted?
This is simply open ended discussion, there is not really a right or wrong answer. I have contemplated my own answer many times before. I want to say I know what I would do but I cant really say unless I ever were to find myself in that scenario I would not push her to have an abortion. Dealing with a sexual assault within your family is a nightmare. Only by the grace of God will anything good become of that situation. But killing the baby isn’t the answer.
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Re: Abortion
[Re: DryFire]
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11/04/24 09:53 AM
11/04/24 09:53 AM
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Mobile, AL
Pwyse
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Tomorrow Florida, Arizona, and Missouri will let the voters decide on reproductive rights. What is your prediction on how those three states will decide the issue? Wrong. They will let voters decide on if murdering children is ok. Don’t sugar coat it buddy. Call it what it really is.
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Re: Abortion
[Re: Pwyse]
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11/04/24 10:03 AM
11/04/24 10:03 AM
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Posts: 10,667
Alabama
whack-n-stack
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Alabama
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Tough question:
If your wife or daughter were raped and got pregnant, would you push to have the baby aborted?
This is simply open ended discussion, there is not really a right or wrong answer. I have contemplated my own answer many times before. I want to say I know what I would do but I cant really say unless I ever were to find myself in that scenario I would not push her to have an abortion. Dealing with a sexual assault within your family is a nightmare. Only by the grace of God will anything good become of that situation. But killing the baby isn’t the answer. What is the right answer? You want her to be reminded of the pain of sexual assault for 9 months, then go through the pain of childbirth as a result of it? You want her to raise it as a single mom? I'm genuinely curious.
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Re: Abortion
[Re: whack-n-stack]
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11/04/24 10:18 AM
11/04/24 10:18 AM
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Mobile, AL
Pwyse
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Mobile, AL
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Tough question:
If your wife or daughter were raped and got pregnant, would you push to have the baby aborted?
This is simply open ended discussion, there is not really a right or wrong answer. I have contemplated my own answer many times before. I want to say I know what I would do but I cant really say unless I ever were to find myself in that scenario I would not push her to have an abortion. Dealing with a sexual assault within your family is a nightmare. Only by the grace of God will anything good become of that situation. But killing the baby isn’t the answer. What is the right answer? You want her to be reminded of the pain of sexual assault for 9 months, then go through the pain of childbirth as a result of it as well? You want her to raise it as a single mom? No good answer. But killing the baby will not get rid of the pain. She will remember the assault everyday for a lot longer than 9 months. Adding the guilt of killing a baby can only make it worse. If she doesn’t want to raise the baby I would push for adoption. Either way it is a tragedy. It would be all hands on deck to help her through the situation. Sin brings consequences for people other than the person that committed it. These consequences are unfortunately very very hard with sexual assault. It will change her life forever. And like I said, it’s only through the grace of God that anything good comes out of it.
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Re: Abortion
[Re: deerman24]
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11/04/24 10:22 AM
11/04/24 10:22 AM
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AL
cullbuck
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Sorry , you must be a democrat, Do you know that God will not forgive the killing of his children Maybe he's libertarian. There's more than D's & R's in the world.
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Re: Abortion
[Re: deerman24]
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11/04/24 11:03 AM
11/04/24 11:03 AM
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Kennedy, al
globe
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I’ve thought about the abortion issue a lot, and asked myself the hard questions, if it was my wife or daughter what would I do. I look at rape and incest like I look at war and innocent people. It’s not the babies fault that someone gets raped but it’s not the women’s fault either. I think exceptions should be made for medical, rape and incest. Extreme penalties for abortion just for convenience imo. Age of the baby, trimesters, shouldn’t factor in. When you abort a health fetus, you’re destroying the likely chance that it’ll be a health baby making it to term. Which is murder. When you abort a baby that was conceived by rape or incest it’s a casualty of a tragic situation like war. Killing yes, but not murder.
Imo anyway.
Everything woke turns to shucks
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Re: Abortion
[Re: globe]
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11/04/24 11:12 AM
11/04/24 11:12 AM
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Alabama
whack-n-stack
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I’ve thought about the abortion issue a lot, and asked myself the hard questions, if it was my wife or daughter what would I do. I look at rape and incest like I look at war and innocent people. It’s not the babies fault that someone gets raped but it’s not the women’s fault either. I think exceptions should be made for medical, rape and incest. Extreme penalties for abortion just for convenience imo. Age of the baby, trimesters, shouldn’t factor in. When you abort a health fetus, you’re destroying the likely chance that it’ll be a health baby making it to term. Which is murder. When you abort a baby that was conceived by rape or incest it’s a casualty of a tragic situation like war. Killing yes, but not murder.
Imo anyway. That's how I feel about it as well.
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Re: Abortion
[Re: globe]
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11/04/24 11:14 AM
11/04/24 11:14 AM
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coffee county
goodman_hunter
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I’ve thought about the abortion issue a lot, and asked myself the hard questions, if it was my wife or daughter what would I do. I look at rape and incest like I look at war and innocent people. It’s not the babies fault that someone gets raped but it’s not the women’s fault either. I think exceptions should be made for medical, rape and incest. Extreme penalties for abortion just for convenience imo. Age of the baby, trimesters, shouldn’t factor in. When you abort a health fetus, you’re destroying the likely chance that it’ll be a health baby making it to term. Which is murder. When you abort a baby that was conceived by rape or incest it’s a casualty of a tragic situation like war. Killing yes, but not murder.
Imo anyway. same here. If my wife was raped and became pregnant. That baby would be aborted and I wouldnt care what someone else called it or thought about it. I think there should be some stipulations of when its allowed. The problem would then be, women would just use those as the excuse for aborting all unwanted pregnancies.
"A moment of realization is worth a thousand prayers"
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Re: Abortion
[Re: globe]
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11/04/24 11:27 AM
11/04/24 11:27 AM
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Mobile, AL
Pwyse
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I’ve thought about the abortion issue a lot, and asked myself the hard questions, if it was my wife or daughter what would I do. I look at rape and incest like I look at war and innocent people. It’s not the babies fault that someone gets raped but it’s not the women’s fault either. I think exceptions should be made for medical, rape and incest. Extreme penalties for abortion just for convenience imo. Age of the baby, trimesters, shouldn’t factor in. When you abort a health fetus, you’re destroying the likely chance that it’ll be a health baby making it to term. Which is murder. When you abort a baby that was conceived by rape or incest it’s a casualty of a tragic situation like war. Killing yes, but not murder.
Imo anyway. You are definitely entitled to your opinion globe. And you are right there is no easy answer to a hard question. I don’t think that knowing killing a baby in the womb with the sole purpose of ending that one particular life can ever be justified as war. You yourself called killing an unborn baby murder. I don’t see how if the baby is healthy or not, or if the baby was conceived in tragedy or not, has any bearing on this definition. There are zero cases of pregnancy where it is the baby’s fault. The baby will grow up with consequences from the sin, same as the mother, but death should not be included in those consequences in my opinion.
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Re: Abortion
[Re: Pwyse]
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11/04/24 11:34 AM
11/04/24 11:34 AM
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Alabama
whack-n-stack
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Alabama
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I’ve thought about the abortion issue a lot, and asked myself the hard questions, if it was my wife or daughter what would I do. I look at rape and incest like I look at war and innocent people. It’s not the babies fault that someone gets raped but it’s not the women’s fault either. I think exceptions should be made for medical, rape and incest. Extreme penalties for abortion just for convenience imo. Age of the baby, trimesters, shouldn’t factor in. When you abort a health fetus, you’re destroying the likely chance that it’ll be a health baby making it to term. Which is murder. When you abort a baby that was conceived by rape or incest it’s a casualty of a tragic situation like war. Killing yes, but not murder.
Imo anyway. You are definitely entitled to your opinion globe. And you are right there is no easy answer to a hard question. I don’t think that knowing killing a baby in the womb with the sole purpose of ending that one particular life can ever be justified as war. You yourself called killing an unborn baby murder. I don’t see how if the baby is healthy or not, or if the baby was conceived conceived in tragedy or not, has any bearing on this definition. There are zero cases of pregnancy where it is the baby’s fault. The baby will grow up with consequences from the sin, same as the mother, but those death should not be included in those consequences in my opinion. There's worse things than death for kids that have to grow up knowing they were unwanted.
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Re: Abortion
[Re: whack-n-stack]
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11/04/24 11:42 AM
11/04/24 11:42 AM
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Mobile, AL
Pwyse
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I’ve thought about the abortion issue a lot, and asked myself the hard questions, if it was my wife or daughter what would I do. I look at rape and incest like I look at war and innocent people. It’s not the babies fault that someone gets raped but it’s not the women’s fault either. I think exceptions should be made for medical, rape and incest. Extreme penalties for abortion just for convenience imo. Age of the baby, trimesters, shouldn’t factor in. When you abort a health fetus, you’re destroying the likely chance that it’ll be a health baby making it to term. Which is murder. When you abort a baby that was conceived by rape or incest it’s a casualty of a tragic situation like war. Killing yes, but not murder.
Imo anyway. You are definitely entitled to your opinion globe. And you are right there is no easy answer to a hard question. I don’t think that knowing killing a baby in the womb with the sole purpose of ending that one particular life can ever be justified as war. You yourself called killing an unborn baby murder. I don’t see how if the baby is healthy or not, or if the baby was conceived conceived in tragedy or not, has any bearing on this definition. There are zero cases of pregnancy where it is the baby’s fault. The baby will grow up with consequences from the sin, same as the mother, but those death should not be included in those consequences in my opinion. There's worse things than death for kids that have to grow up knowing they were unwanted. That child’s soul is eternal. So just because you kill it doesn’t mean it doesn’t know that you don’t want it. It will absolutely know that you did not want it so you aren’t removing that knowledge from them by killing them. And because there are worse things than death, doesn’t mean you have the right to kill the baby. You don’t have the right to make that choice. Only God does.
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Re: Abortion
[Re: deerman24]
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11/04/24 11:44 AM
11/04/24 11:44 AM
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Walker county
Driveby
Doing the best I can.
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Abortion is killing a baby......period. 1% of abortions in the US are in the case of rape, .5% are for incest, 1.14% are for health reasons.. Y'all are arguing for the rights of a very, very small minority of women to kill their babies. At the same time the same people on this site will get all bent when transgenders and homosexuals, about 1% of the population, are given "special rights". You will stand your high ground against sexual deviancy but not against the killing of the innocent.
The true mark of a man is not how he conducts himself during times of prosperity, but how he conducts himself during times of adversity.
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Re: Abortion
[Re: Driveby]
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11/04/24 11:46 AM
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Pwyse
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Abortion is killing a baby......period. 1% of abortions in the US are in the case of rape, .5% are for incest, 1.14% are for health reasons.. Y'all are arguing for the rights of a very, very small minority of women to kill their babies. At the same time the same people on this site will get all bent when transgenders and homosexuals, about 1% of the population, are given "special rights". You will stand your high ground against sexual deviancy but not against the killing of the innocent. Yall better move ya toes!!! 😂
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Re: Abortion
[Re: globe]
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11/04/24 11:50 AM
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I’ve thought about the abortion issue a lot, and asked myself the hard questions, if it was my wife or daughter what would I do. I look at rape and incest like I look at war and innocent people. It’s not the babies fault that someone gets raped but it’s not the women’s fault either. I think exceptions should be made for medical, rape and incest. Extreme penalties for abortion just for convenience imo. Age of the baby, trimesters, shouldn’t factor in. When you abort a health fetus, you’re destroying the likely chance that it’ll be a health baby making it to term. Which is murder. When you abort a baby that was conceived by rape or incest it’s a casualty of a tragic situation like war. Killing yes, but not murder.
Imo anyway. Very reasonable take. Not really any different than civilians being killed in Ukraine
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Re: Abortion
[Re: globe]
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11/04/24 11:50 AM
11/04/24 11:50 AM
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Walker county
Driveby
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When you abort a baby that was conceived by rape or incest it’s a casualty of a tragic situation like war. Killing yes, but not murder.
Imo anyway. So when the Nazis rounded up Jewish children and killed them, it was killing and not murder.......because it was during a war? A casualty of a tragic situation is someone who was "caught in the crossfire" and killed accidentally. When a baby is aborted, regardless of the situation, that killing is intentional.
The true mark of a man is not how he conducts himself during times of prosperity, but how he conducts himself during times of adversity.
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