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Re: We are next
[Re: poorcountrypreacher]
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02/02/25 06:19 AM
02/02/25 06:19 AM
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deadeye48
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The real question is what is meant by "turkey conservation?" Anything to increase poult production is very site specific and requires a lot of work and money, and it's only going to benefit that site. My perception is that the overwhelming majority of turkey conservation work is done by private individuals on private land with private money. The state already has a lot of land that they are supposed to be managing for turkeys. How well are they doing?
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Re: We are next
[Re: 3bailey3]
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02/02/25 07:17 AM
02/02/25 07:17 AM
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Posts: 3,889 Spanish Fort
TurkeyJoe
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I agree about the NWTF funds going to top Executives but I know the guys that are running the Ms turkey program are all in it for the birds, deerhunt1988 is one of our state biologist for the wild turkey and I know a few of the other guys in the program and will be glad to send them $10 more to help out our birds! They work for all the birds here in Ms. public and private! Bailey, they have taken a page from Alabamas book, and are now lying and cheating to get more money. Let me give you an example. I was born in Hattiesburg in 1980. Lived in Ms for the first 34 years of my life. Before I moved to Alabama, I bought lifetime license for myself and my two boys. The states pamphlet on lifetime license, along with confirming conversations with state personnel, indicated that I could hunt any game any season just like a resident with a resident lifetime license. Based on that agreement, I bought $2000 worth of license, and they were happy to take my money. Fast forward to today, they have decided that I need to go through a lottery draw to hunt the first two weeks of season on public land, just like a non resident. As far as I’m concerned, they are in breach of the contract we made 12 years ago, and I’m working my way up the ladder communicating that fact to them. We will see how it turns out, but I’m afraid they are headed the same direction as the Alabama DNR.
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Re: We are next
[Re: TurkeyJoe]
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02/02/25 06:48 PM
02/02/25 06:48 PM
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Posts: 10,124 Hampton Cove
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I agree about the NWTF funds going to top Executives but I know the guys that are running the Ms turkey program are all in it for the birds, deerhunt1988 is one of our state biologist for the wild turkey and I know a few of the other guys in the program and will be glad to send them $10 more to help out our birds! They work for all the birds here in Ms. public and private! Bailey, they have taken a page from Alabamas book, and are now lying and cheating to get more money. Let me give you an example. I was born in Hattiesburg in 1980. Lived in Ms for the first 34 years of my life. Before I moved to Alabama, I bought lifetime license for myself and my two boys. The states pamphlet on lifetime license, along with confirming conversations with state personnel, indicated that I could hunt any game any season just like a resident with a resident lifetime license. Based on that agreement, I bought $2000 worth of license, and they were happy to take my money. Fast forward to today, they have decided that I need to go through a lottery draw to hunt the first two weeks of season on public land, just like a non resident. As far as I’m concerned, they are in breach of the contract we made 12 years ago, and I’m working my way up the ladder communicating that fact to them. We will see how it turns out, but I’m afraid they are headed the same direction as the Alabama DNR. I’m in the same boat. Have had a MS license for about 30 years. I have private land to hunt, so the draw thing doesn’t necessarily affect me, but pisses me off that I couldn’t just go hunt if I wanted to. Phuck a stamp!
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Re: We are next
[Re: foldemup]
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02/03/25 12:17 PM
02/03/25 12:17 PM
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Posts: 52,130 Round ‘bout there
Clem
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TurkeyJoe, after going up the chain and not getting any positive results ... you and others will have to sue the department aboout it, similar to the Alabama class-action about its college funding schitt 15ish years ago.
When the college fund was established and was under current Gov. MeeMaw (she was Treasurer then), the public pamphlets, site and selling points (among several) was that it would always be there. Won't go away. Won't be diminished. Your child's tuition and other eligible costs will be paid IN FULL from start to finish. Will be strong enough to withstand blah blah blah. All the promises.
And then the 2008 financial crisis hit and they said, "Well, schitt. Sorry. Problems! We can't pay for it all so you'll have to make up whatever shortfall." When they got pressed on it and then sued, they claimed all the schitt: We're the state, you can't do that! We have immunity! We didn't see these outside forces coming! Financial markets! You can't plan for these things! Blah blah whiny-ass backstabbing bullchit blah.
But the capper was: We didn't promise anything, and damned sure didn't promise full payment from Day 1 to Graduation.
Well ... yes, you did. People who are smart and kept files had all the goodies. They could prove that yes, indeed, you thievin' MFers promised the tuition payments.
In the end, they paid something like 83 or 87 cents on the dollar. Had to go to court about it, which is terrible and sucks and never should've happened. But the point is, The State promised something and then f'king backtracked and lied and said "Ehhh, we didn't ... times change ... didn't promise that ... oh, well" until the schitt hit the fan.
The conservation departments are doing the same thing. They promised one thing -- hunt-fish with a Lifetime License -- and now are giving their "customers" the big double birds simply because they can. And they should be sued over it.
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Re: We are next
[Re: Clem]
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02/03/25 03:58 PM
02/03/25 03:58 PM
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Posts: 1,768 Tuscaloosa, AL
Nightwatchman
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TurkeyJoe, after going up the chain and not getting any positive results ... you and others will have to sue the department aboout it, similar to the Alabama class-action about its college funding schitt 15ish years ago.
When the college fund was established and was under current Gov. MeeMaw (she was Treasurer then), the public pamphlets, site and selling points (among several) was that it would always be there. Won't go away. Won't be diminished. Your child's tuition and other eligible costs will be paid IN FULL from start to finish. Will be strong enough to withstand blah blah blah. All the promises.
And then the 2008 financial crisis hit and they said, "Well, schitt. Sorry. Problems! We can't pay for it all so you'll have to make up whatever shortfall." When they got pressed on it and then sued, they claimed all the schitt: We're the state, you can't do that! We have immunity! We didn't see these outside forces coming! Financial markets! You can't plan for these things! Blah blah whiny-ass backstabbing bullchit blah.
But the capper was: We didn't promise anything, and damned sure didn't promise full payment from Day 1 to Graduation.
Well ... yes, you did. People who are smart and kept files had all the goodies. They could prove that yes, indeed, you thievin' MFers promised the tuition payments.
In the end, they paid something like 83 or 87 cents on the dollar. Had to go to court about it, which is terrible and sucks and never should've happened. But the point is, The State promised something and then f'king backtracked and lied and said "Ehhh, we didn't ... times change ... didn't promise that ... oh, well" until the schitt hit the fan.
The conservation departments are doing the same thing. They promised one thing -- hunt-fish with a Lifetime License -- and now are giving their "customers" the big double birds simply because they can. And they should be sued over it.
This right here is a great example of why anyone who trusts the state for any reason is an idiot...i dont care what state or what department or what the subject matter is, any time I hear anyone advocate for anything that involves handling the state more money, I am appalled, I have no idea what on earth would deceive anyone into trusting any government official with one red cent of your money. That is mind boggling to me. I dont care if you know them personally, I dont care if you know them to be honest in their personal life, I dont care if you go to church with them, and i dont care if "your family knows their family", the State and anyone who works for them are out for your money all the time without exception and will boldface lie to you to get it. They continue to teach us that lesson at every turn and people continue to ignore it
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Re: We are next
[Re: 3bailey3]
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02/04/25 12:15 AM
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Joined: Sep 2023
Posts: 164 Central AL
T-hatchie
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Sorry guys I was talking about working for the wild turkey, I know nothing about the politics involed in being a non resident hunting another state after you brought a license here! Sounds like some jaded citizens in here but I’d say good on you for having concern for wild turkeys beyond your own property.
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Re: We are next
[Re: T-hatchie]
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02/04/25 07:42 AM
02/04/25 07:42 AM
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Posts: 5,432 AL
Gobble4me757
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Sorry guys I was talking about working for the wild turkey, I know nothing about the politics involed in being a non resident hunting another state after you brought a license here! Sounds like some jaded citizens in here but I’d say good on you for having concern for wild turkeys beyond your own property. Well when Chuck Sykes and crew continually screw us…especially us in south bama, they do have a reason to be jaded. I’m all for giving a lil money to help out the turkeys, but the state will get none of it. Turkeys for Tomorrow will but not the state. My family was among those who the state stole from and almost cost my siblings and I a chance at college had I not worked hard and gotten a scholarship. My dad was amongst the lawyers that sued the state for stealing from us. 3bailey, the hate isn’t towards you brother…there is a longstanding deep seated hate against our state politicians and wildlife officials here that we are tired of funding. You buy a lifetime license for bama but then have to pay the corn license and then the nighttime hog/coyote license etc the list goes on
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Re: We are next
[Re: Gobble4me757]
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02/04/25 09:14 AM
02/04/25 09:14 AM
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Posts: 164 Central AL
T-hatchie
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Sorry guys I was talking about working for the wild turkey, I know nothing about the politics involed in being a non resident hunting another state after you brought a license here! Sounds like some jaded citizens in here but I’d say good on you for having concern for wild turkeys beyond your own property. Well when Chuck Sykes and crew continually screw us…especially us in south bama, they do have a reason to be jaded. I’m all for giving a lil money to help out the turkeys, but the state will get none of it. Turkeys for Tomorrow will but not the state. My family was among those who the state stole from and almost cost my siblings and I a chance at college had I not worked hard and gotten a scholarship. My dad was amongst the lawyers that sued the state for stealing from us. 3bailey, the hate isn’t towards you brother…there is a longstanding deep seated hate against our state politicians and wildlife officials here that we are tired of funding. You buy a lifetime license for bama but then have to pay the corn license and then the nighttime hog/coyote license etc the list goes on Fair points. I moved here 2 years ago
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Re: We are next
[Re: 3bailey3]
#4280289
02/04/25 09:48 AM
02/04/25 09:48 AM
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Joined: Feb 2016
Posts: 1,768 Tuscaloosa, AL
Nightwatchman
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Wow nightboy, I guess I have been bitch slapped on a open forum for wanting to give my wildlife dept $10 to help the Wild Turkey! you said you won't trust someone in your Church with $10 to help with the wild turkey! I would leave that church! I would give my Pastor and all the deacon's $10 to tell me where they thought they might have heard a turkey! I know the guys working for the wild turkey here in Ms. and 10 bucks is nothing to hear one more bird gobble! All I have to say about your post is WOW! you sound like someone on the view! I am speaking in generalities. I am not calling you an idiot per se, I've just never seen anything out there from any state agency that would make me trust a single thing they wanted to do with my money And for the record, no, I don't trust anyone at my church with my money either. I keep paying tithes becauses it is not my money(really none of it is mine, I only have what the Lord lets me have) but especially when it comes to that 10%.....I pay it like I am commanded to do, what they do with it is between them and the Lord. I don't have to trust them
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Re: We are next
[Re: Gobble4me757]
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02/04/25 09:49 AM
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Posts: 1,768 Tuscaloosa, AL
Nightwatchman
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Sorry guys I was talking about working for the wild turkey, I know nothing about the politics involed in being a non resident hunting another state after you brought a license here! Sounds like some jaded citizens in here but I’d say good on you for having concern for wild turkeys beyond your own property. Well when Chuck Sykes and crew continually screw us…especially us in south bama, they do have a reason to be jaded. I’m all for giving a lil money to help out the turkeys, but the state will get none of it. Turkeys for Tomorrow will but not the state. My family was among those who the state stole from and almost cost my siblings and I a chance at college had I not worked hard and gotten a scholarship. My dad was amongst the lawyers that sued the state for stealing from us. 3bailey, the hate isn’t towards you brother…there is a longstanding deep seated hate against our state politicians and wildlife officials here that we are tired of funding. You buy a lifetime license for bama but then have to pay the corn license and then the nighttime hog/coyote license etc the list goes on Exactly. Sorry if that seemed a little pointed at you, Bailey. That wasn't really my intention. I just despise the state so much talking about them makes my blood boil
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Re: We are next
[Re: Gobl4me]
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02/05/25 09:44 AM
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Posts: 368 NE Mississippi
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I hate to see the precedent set of price gouging hunters because you can. Many of us were doing this before the loose lip YouTube cowboys screwed it up and are getting shafted. I hunted Mississippi annually and haven’t drawn since the first year. Makes me want to whip the ass of each Mississippian I see flooding my local public lands. Why the Mississippian and not the YouTube cowboys who caused much of this?
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Re: We are next
[Re: deerhunt1988]
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02/05/25 05:23 PM
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Gobl4me
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I hate to see the precedent set of price gouging hunters because you can. Many of us were doing this before the loose lip YouTube cowboys screwed it up and are getting shafted. I hunted Mississippi annually and haven’t drawn since the first year. Makes me want to whip the ass of each Mississippian I see flooding my local public lands. Why the Mississippian and not the YouTube cowboys who caused much of this? Please go back years ago and look at the first pinhoti project thread on this forum and see who was against it from the start. And also noticed people were calling us selfish and jealous etc for speaking out against their loose lip policies.
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Re: We are next
[Re: Gobl4me]
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02/05/25 09:28 PM
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Posts: 8,397 Boaz,AL
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I hate to see the precedent set of price gouging hunters because you can. Many of us were doing this before the loose lip YouTube cowboys screwed it up and are getting shafted. I hunted Mississippi annually and haven’t drawn since the first year. Makes me want to whip the ass of each Mississippian I see flooding my local public lands. Why the Mississippian and not the YouTube cowboys who caused much of this? Please go back years ago and look at the first pinhoti project thread on this forum and see who was against it from the start. And also noticed people were calling us selfish and jealous etc for speaking out against their loose lip policies. Hey, ill admit I thought it was neat at first…til I realized that georgia dildo was trottin around on places i growed up huntin…now i hope bigfoot kicks him in the nuts…i cant afford to hunt private land…dont get to hunt like i did once…an it aint fun no more..but ill still go🤷🏻
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