You sure seem butt hurt about all this cutting. I love it, cut more, not cutting enough.

I hope you're right but, DJT has more people in an uproar than ever before. Politicians are hard enough to trust and then having business men, individuals like Musk thrust into the picture making decisions for this country in such a fashion is just adding fuel to the fire. I have no problem with him doing a job but, would like more info to support what/why he's doing it, but it's simply been presented as a numbers game. That BS, "tell me what you did last week letter" is just ignorant, tell me did what you did the last quarter would maybe be better suited. A lot of jobs have up and down moments. Employee job performance and reviews are completed on a quarterly or semi-annual basis for a reason. I completes semi-annual performance evaluations as part of my job for 15yrs and one weeks worth of information is totally useless. Riding these guys coat tails and not holding them accountable whether it's in a positive or negative manner's just naive. Information should be shared for the reason you mentioned alone, VOTES. To attract votes, there has to be trust. I'd like to see the next republican win by more than 2% of the vote.

Good point, Hall.

Kodiak, what services are you doing without due to the cuts. How are they affecting you? What specific mistakes have been made and what are the consequences of those mistakes? I don't mean hypotheticals . You seem convinced Trump is going at it wrong so what problems has it caused to this point other than some whining and complaining about not enough studies done. You're acting like Trump and Elon haven't been planning this for months and just decided to do a this on a whim so give me the issues it's caused and what we have lost out on by making the cuts.

LMAO, not butt hurt at all. I just think they should be accountable for decisions and have sound reasoning for doing so AND that information be shared with the general public. We elected them to do a job, good leaders keep their followers informed, in this case it's the voters. I'm also very familiar with a few of the positions that have been cut and know that they are jobs needed for an entity to complete their tasks, not some menial job holding down a desk. Miscellaneous cuts just to show money saved is just ignorant, especially knowing those same jobs will require a new hire lol. By your comment you want jobs cut even if there's no sound evidence to support it, that's plain STUPID lol.

How about the ones doing the waisting having to have sound reasoning for how they have spent the money and what or who they spent it on? If you can't provide that, then you have been stealing from the taxpayers. You need to repay all the money and spend a few years behind bars.

How about all the folks sitting at home playing who knows what on the computer or not working at all and getting a full pay check from the government? Where were they being held accountable? We have a spread sheet for our workers, it is a progress tracker. Why shouldn't federal workers in each department have one?

Nah, just give them the money, they deserve it, "it's emotional."

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You're right, my bad. They should have formed a bi-partisan committee and hired a bunch of their consulting cronies and funded a 200 million dollar 6 year study to determine who should be cut. What was I thinking.

Post that info or a link. Being they have fired people needed to do specific jobs, I'd say that 6yr study failed.

Well just like in the private sector, where things like this happen all the time, those people that were not let go will just have to work a little harder and pick up the little bit of slack created from those that were let go. I've worked on a bunch of DOD projects on multiple bases with resident personnel and with the COE over the years. In summary, nobody is in a real hurry to get to work in the mornings, long lunches, lots and lots of meetings where nothing is ever accomplished, other than wasting time to fill their hours in the day, are all pretty much the norm. Most are not nearly as competent in their fields as they think they are, mainly because a massive number of them have never worked outside of the govt. which is chock full of incompetent and lazy people collecting ridiculous benefits, pension, and salary. It's honestly not their fault, it is the only thing that they've known and they think it is the norm. They simply do not know what it is like to work for a business where you actually have to work whatever hours are required, to produce a product, on time and under budget, and make money doing it, or the business fails. If you cannot do it, they generally find someone to replace you with, that can do it. Accountability is what is lacking in our govt. Yes there are some super hardworking, super intelligent people that work for the govt but they are far outnumbered by the clock punching crew. All will tell you that their job is critical and that they work very hard. Very few salaried personnel in the govt work a single hour past 40hrs in any given week. Especially since all this work from home BS started. Word of advice, when it gets close to 4:00 in the afternoon, make sure you are nowhere near an exit door at any of the facilities, because you could get caught up in the stampede and get trampled. If private companies were run like the govt, there would be no private companies and most would last less than a year before shutting the doors. If the govt did not have the ability to print money out of thin air to cover for their laziness, overstaffed bloated bureaucracy, and in some cases complete incompetence, there would be no government. With sound, competent, fiscally responsible management, much more can be done with far less. It has gone on and grown rapidly, like a cancer, for far far too long. It is time to cut it out or die from it. Like someone said above, it is so big now that a chainsaw has to be used rather than a scalpel and it is going to leave an ugly scar but the patient will survive in the end, but only if the surgery is performed. I feel for those losing their jobs but if they are competent in their field or area of expertise, and hard workers, like all claim to be, then there should be plenty of opportunity in the private sector as our economy rapidly grows under a right sized, better run, fiscally responsible govt.

If I'm not mistaken, TRUMP looked at all this during his last term, and especially started researching a whole year before election. Government, ( Federal, State and Local) are ALL wasteful. How many times have you heard how much more is charged for a government job versus a private job. Keep going TRUMP.

Lots of folks are tore up about that strategy, but I’m over here thinking it was their way of smoking out those that aren’t actually working or maybe don’t even exist. I’d highly doubt that anyone who replied to the email got canned from their responses alone. If they got let go, they were getting let go anyway. In the mean time, Elon and Trump hopefully got a whole list of “workers” that aren’t working at all and need to go.

Musk back-tracked and supposedly extended the deadline for a response, said it was to see who checked their email lol. If that's the case it shows how really stupid the idea was. No one checks work email on a Saturday if not required.
I think the job cuts are a "chop" job and they'll come back and hire people where needed instead of putting much forethought in to it and if that's the case it's a dumb idea since it could put individuals in to a financial bind.

A financial bind? Like 33 trillion in a bind? By all means let's borrow more money so that doesn't happen. A study is what this country really needs....

Sorry Bill you're normally spot on but in this case you are bad wrong. It is currently 36.522 trillion as of this afternoon. But hey, just like the govt says, "the number is only off by 10%. That's close enough and it's only another 3.5 trillion anyway."

Yep, let's just take our time and spend a bunch of money with our buddies on studies over the next few years. It's only costing us $3 BILLION per day in interest, so there's plenty of time. "No rush or need to be hasty with these cuts. Everything is just fine." (as Nero plays his fiddle softly in the background while asking where that smoky smell is coming from).

Lots of folks are tore up about that strategy, but I’m over here thinking it was their way of smoking out those that aren’t actually working or maybe don’t even exist. I’d highly doubt that anyone who replied to the email got canned from their responses alone. If they got let go, they were getting let go anyway. In the mean time, Elon and Trump hopefully got a whole list of “workers” that aren’t working at all and need to go. [/quote]

Musk back-tracked and supposedly extended the deadline for a response, said it was to see who checked their email lol. If that's the case it shows how really stupid the idea was. No one checks work email on a Saturday if not required.
I think the job cuts are a "chop" job and they'll come back and hire people where needed instead of putting much forethought in to it and if that's the case it's a dumb idea since it could put individuals in to a financial bind.[/quote]


A financial bind? Like 33 trillion in a bind? By all means let's borrow more money so that doesn't happen. A study is what this country really needs....[/quote]

LOL, some of you are funny. I never said all firings were wrong, I've stated multiple times that firing individuals that are in "known" positions that WILL require re-hiring is ignorant. It's not hard to understand that those individuals shouldn't be put in that spot. They're firing individuals to fire and the re-hire, it's a cut numbers game.

I dont think that the number of individuals getting re-hired is going to be anywhere near as large as you think that it will Kodiak. I also dont think it is quite as random as what is being portrayed. Looks to me like they are doing their best to eliminate all the jobs that Biden magically created in his last 2 yrs in office. Obviously, they were not needed during Trump's first term so they shouldnt be needed now. Especially with the pandemic being over. According to the Associated Press, it looks like 98% of the loss is made up of short timers/recent hires. Found this current tally from AP (Numbers from AP's DOGE article that was current as of 4 days ago)

Office of Personnel Mgmt states that 75,000 have elected to take the retirement offer/severance package option originally offered
Dept of VA 1,000 probationary with less than 2 yrs service
Dept of Defense 5,400 probationary next week Est reduction in civilian workforce of 5-8% upcoming
Dept of Education 39 (more to come once bogus injunction is lifted)
Dept of Energy 350 probationary employees
IRS no definitive number given only that it will be in the 1,000's
Dept of Health and Human Services 5,000 probationary employees
CDC 1300 probationary employees
National Park Service released approx 1,000 new hires but reinstating 5,000 seasonal employees
NIH, FDA, Centers for Medicare and Medicaid all probationary employees. No number given
DHS 405 probationary employees
FEMA 200 probationary employees
Consumer Financial Protection Bureau Ordered to stop work. Entire agency to be disbanded # unknown
Dept of Agriculture 2000 probationary employees (all non-fire related)
17 Inspector Generals (for not doing their jobs)
USAID ???? I'm assuming number unknown at this time.
DOJ ????
State Dept ????

After they get done removing all jobs associated with Biden's willful expansion of the govt bureaucracy and DEI jobs program, then they need to move into eliminating the redundant functions, redundant jobs, redundant agencies, redundant duties, restructuring, reorganizing, and eliminating multiple agencies and departments to streamline services. This should be done on a competency and merit basis with input from dept heads and supervisors being retained.

if they completely did away with all the agencies on this list up above it would no significantly impact my daily life.

Hard for those who like to suck off the Gov't tit to comprehend I know. Appears a lot of individuals on here are in that situation. It's a tough pill for those who think the work they do is actually "important". Well... it's not.

In the private sector people fail every second of every day. Easy jobs don't pay. Ignorant people get lucky and get rich. Hard working folks who do everything correctly sometimes get fired. That's how this Country is supposed to work.

Some on here need a stark reality check.

My advice = "Learn to Code"

The ones who like the tit will be the loudest screamers when they get yanked off. Elon had that part 100% correct.