Musk posted this on X today regarding the realities of war.

Zelenskyy was welcomed by both the English PM and the King. A meeting of Europe's defense ministers has shown they will continue to support Ukraine. Norway's largest oil producer just refused to refuel a US submarine and has publicly announced they will no long fuel any US military or cargo ship. Europe now understands that the US aligns more with Putin's goals than European goals on how to end Russia's illegal invasion.

Meanwhile in Vermont, this is how Vance was welcomed on his skiing vacation.

Not a warm welcome

Of course z was. Europe stays warm due to Russia. I wouldn’t expect anything less from Vermont. Where Pepperidge farms remembers.

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https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/20...er-forced-intervene-after-fuel-supplier/

You should 100% Ruck up and go to Ukraine and fight for Z

You obviously align more with Ukraine as well....be gone

Well that settles it. Vermont is definitely the pulse of America. Dumbass commie pos...

Thats what someone who isnt a coward would do. Anybody can send money and missles. If you really want to glorify ukraine, go fight for them. I doubt he loves ukraine that much. I wonder if he isnt from there. If he didnt up and leave ukraine for something better. Just dont make sense a American having such an allegiance to a craphole of a country like ukraine. Glory to ukraine? Not hardly. its a country of beggers. A soverign nation? Not hardly, constantly dependant on others, not able to take care of themselves. Parasites.

Looks like our local debunker got debunked. Thats funny. And dryfires link gives a very telling display of what a democrat is. Pathetic group of people and proving it every day.

I can’t imagine being an American citizen and rooting for Ukraine over the US, takes a real scumbag.

That’s not how they’re looking at it. They’re correlating Trump to puttin. Russian collusion is still here in their minds.

Just dont add up, does it?

[quote=DryFire]Zelenskyy was welcomed by both the English PM and the King. A meeting of Europe's defense ministers has shown they will continue to support Ukraine. Norway's largest oil producer just refused to refuel a US submarine and has publicly announced they will no long fuel any US military or cargo ship. Europe now understands that the US aligns more with Putin's goals than European goals on how to end Russia's illegal invasion.

Meanwhile in Vermont, this is how Vance was welcomed on his skiing vacation.

Not a warm welcome[/
Your an idot

I’m convinced that 49% of American citizens hate America. They hate Trump even more.

Since when did Vermomt and Europe become our moral conpass?

There doesn't have to be Standing for America vs Standing for Ukraine. Personally, I absolutely do both. It is certainly in our best interest that Putin and his aggression be stopped in its tracks before he decides to make any more moves to rebuild the former Soviet Union and make no mistake that is his goal which he has repeatedly said. He is an evil man and an enemy to freedom and to the U.S. and Trump knows this and is trying diplomacy to bring peace to the region while looking after our interests at the same time through a Rare Earth Metals agreement but I'm not sure that Z wants peace as he seems to be enjoying his time in the limelight. Ukraine has had problems with corruption certainly and any aid we give them should come with the proviso of full accounting for it. Global politics are usually a very complex issue and this is no exception so this is a very short response on my part instead of the complete story which would be more than I have time to type out.

You dont end your posts with "glory to ukraine". I also doubt you would celebrate another country disrespecting our military, which he also did. Alot of eople are supportive to ukraine and other countries. Some folks just hate russia, prettymuch because of the cold war and thats what they were taught to do, so by default they support ukraine. Its not normal for an American to have the kind of allegiance to another country that hes shown to ukraine.

Ukraine you can eat a bag!

I have never argued with you here, and I hope you remember that. I am quoting your post as a lead-in.

There are more tendrils to this situation than a neglected muscadine vine, but I will attempt to simplify.

"The Ukraine" roughly translates to "The Borderland". Whose border? Russia, of course. That area was Russian territory before the USSR. Brezhnev was born in The Ukraine, and Gorbachev was of Ukrainian heritage. As a country, Ukraine didn't exist before 1991. It was a Russian territory, and had been since the 1800's. It had never been a separate state or country prior to then, but was briefly it's own country for about 5 years immediately after WW1, then joined the USSR.

In fact, from about 1400 or so, the area was contested, divided, and ruled by a variety of external powers including the Grand Duchy of Lithuania, the Kingdom of Poland, the Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth, the Austrian Empire, the Ottoman Empire, and the Tsardom of Russia.

The US, Great Britain, France, and others committed to Russia around 1990 that NATO would NOT "move 1 inch closer to Russia". Then they did it anyway, by about 1000 miles, then threatened or actually installed missiles near the border. For reference, see "Cuban Missile Crisis".

Ukraine received foreign funding and weapons from NATO countries. Those same countries encouraged Ukraine to move forward with "donated" weapons and push against Russia. The premise was that it was "illegal" to speak Russian in Donbas. Starting in 2014, the Ukrainian government started a civil war to "punish" those who continued to speak Russian, even though that was the only language that they knew. This genocide continued on a low scale until Putin (and the world, but most others were in on it) became aware that thousands of Ukrainian troops were moving to Donbas to "end the uprising" by those who refused/couldn't speak Ukrainian. At that point, the ethnic Russians who occupied Donbas asked for help, and Putin sent troops to stop the genocide that had been occurring since 2014.

This brings us to the latest war for the best farmland in Eastern Europe.

Please know, that just because I know the history and the facts, does NOT mean that I believe that the USA has ANY business being involved in this bullshit. As far as I'm concerned, we need to make a trade deal with whoever wins and become more isolationist in our policies.

By that, I mean not one single dollar leaves our shores as "aid" until every US child is fed, every US veteran is housed and safe, and every needy (read unable to provide for themselves, not unwilling to do the same) US citizen is safe, housed, and fed.

Deport every illegal, and mandate a 20 year waiting period for entry for any individual who came in without permission. Absolutely admit more workers to fill jobs that were vacated, while eliminating welfare and food stamps/SNAP/EBT for any citizen unwilling to work. If you can't find a job, your county can issue you a trash grabber and a box of bags every morning.

I worked my entire life, and work continues to find me even in retirement. Shouldn't be that hard for these leaches to figure out how to be productive.

I went off topic a bit at the end, but I do hope this helps someone who didn't know the history of the region.