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Re: Church attire [Re: deerman24] #4297743
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I cannot know someone's heart. God does.

I should not judge. God is our judge.

“My command is this: Love each other as I have loved you."

I fall far short of the last two statements constantly!

Attire concern/judging should be focused on making sure folks have clean, adequate clothing to keep them warm and safe from the elements.


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Re: Church attire [Re: Pwyse] #4297762
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Originally Posted by Pwyse
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My thoughts are.......do what you can. The fellow showing up straight from work in his dirty work clothes is doing what he can. His priority was getting there instead of missing for the sake of looking good. Been there myself. I have to wonder though.....the same folks that say they wear what they want because that is what's comfortable, i.e. shorts and flip flops.....would show up to their granny's funeral or their daughter's wedding dressed the same way? Are they the same people who, as cartervj and I mentioned, bashed Obama for dressing down in the White House and Fetterman for wearing sweat pants and a hoodie to the inauguration. What's more important to you? That's a choice you alone have to make.


I don’t think attire shows importance. The reason we dress the way we do at funerals and weddings is due to traditions. I’ve been to a few weddings at the beach. We wore shorts and flip flops. Those traditions were established by men, not God. I believe the “Sunday Best” is a tradition established by men as well. And it’s ok if people like that tradition and want to go to a church that adheres to it. Nothing wrong with that at all. But I don’t believe that not wearing fancy clothes to the church service means you are disrespecting God. He is with us Al the time. Even when we nekkid


I should have known you would find the beach wedding loophole. LOL! laugh grin
My point is that many people believe it more important to honor "traditions", as you call them pertaining to funerals, weddings and the like than honoring a tradition for going to church. They will get all upset about it. Say what you want but you're not showing up to granny's funeral in shorts and flip flops......unless of course her ashes are being scattered at the beach. laugh If you do, aunt Thelma is gonna getcha. I'm simply pointing out what I view as hypocrisy. People shouldn't fuss about others wanting them to "dress up" for church and then turn around and complain about Fetterman wearing sweat pants or cousin Bob looking like a bum at the wedding.
Disclaimer: I do not show up at any of those in a 3 piece suit and tie but I don't show up looking like I'm at the beach or a ball game either. I've often said to those promoting the whole suit thing, if you want to do it the way Jesus did it, I will be in my toga and sandals next week.


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Originally Posted by Driveby
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My thoughts are.......do what you can. The fellow showing up straight from work in his dirty work clothes is doing what he can. His priority was getting there instead of missing for the sake of looking good. Been there myself. I have to wonder though.....the same folks that say they wear what they want because that is what's comfortable, i.e. shorts and flip flops.....would show up to their granny's funeral or their daughter's wedding dressed the same way? Are they the same people who, as cartervj and I mentioned, bashed Obama for dressing down in the White House and Fetterman for wearing sweat pants and a hoodie to the inauguration. What's more important to you? That's a choice you alone have to make.


I don’t think attire shows importance. The reason we dress the way we do at funerals and weddings is due to traditions. I’ve been to a few weddings at the beach. We wore shorts and flip flops. Those traditions were established by men, not God. I believe the “Sunday Best” is a tradition established by men as well. And it’s ok if people like that tradition and want to go to a church that adheres to it. Nothing wrong with that at all. But I don’t believe that not wearing fancy clothes to the church service means you are disrespecting God. He is with us Al the time. Even when we nekkid


I should have known you would find the beach wedding loophole. LOL! laugh grin
My point is that many people believe it more important to honor "traditions", as you call them pertaining to funerals, weddings and the like than honoring a tradition for going to church. They will get all upset about it. Say what you want but you're not showing up to granny's funeral in shorts and flip flops......unless of course her ashes are being scattered at the beach. laugh If you do, aunt Thelma is gonna getcha. I'm simply pointing out what I view as hypocrisy. People shouldn't fuss about others wanting them to "dress up" for church and then turn around and complain about Fetterman wearing sweat pants or cousin Bob looking like a bum at the wedding.
Disclaimer: I do not show up at any of those in a 3 piece suit and tie but I don't show up looking like I'm at the beach or a ball game either. I've often said to those promoting the whole suit thing, if you want to do it the way Jesus did it, I will be in my toga and sandals next week.


I see your point driven. And it is valid. I’m kinda funny about the church attire subject. I spent years in a legalistic church. Only in the last 5 years have I experienced a church that values relationships and discipleship above traditions. I did not feel this way when I was in the middle of the legalism. It was only after I was shown the freedom from it that I realized it was even there.

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Originally Posted by Andalusia
I cannot know someone's heart. God does.

I should not judge. God is our judge.

“My command is this: Love each other as I have loved you."

I fall far short of the last two statements constantly!

Attire concern/judging should be focused on making sure folks have clean, adequate clothing to keep them warm and safe from the elements.



Great post

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Glad i looked back - Andalusia gets it

How about the scripture that says - well its james 2 vs 2-6. Basically says the fabulously dressed man with a gold ring it given the best seat (judging off his attire - by the way - we not supposed too judge that sort of thing) then the poorly dressed person comes in church and people say - go sit at that person's foot stool - the worst possible seat - again judging - not right. Its about love - and some people will fight to be right on this - its not about being right - its about doing what is right

Scripture shoots down the whole dressed up stance pretty hard. I hav done both fancy and average - neither matter!


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Boy has his thread ran off the track. Church dress is a relative subject. We owe it out of respect to the lord to wear decent and respectable attire. What that is for me may be different for you. I was a deacon at a Southern Baptist Church about 20 years ago. On a Sunday night service we had a couple that had never came to the church before walk the isle. Their cloths looked like they lived on the streets and they Reeked with BO. They said they had not ever been to church but felt something pulling them in to join.. The good Baptist were appalled!! The deacons called a meeting about this couple doesn’t belong in this church. I let them ramble and finally said my piece…I told them if any of them felt like this couple was beneath them, I’m at the wrong church…I asked them Would Jesus say they didn’t belong here? Needless to say, my tenure as a deacon and member of the Southern Baptist didn’t last long after that.


Show me the one and only New Testament verse that loosely supports the “owe it to the Lord to wear decent attire” (capital “L” decon ) 😂🤣😂

While you are at it show the verse that supports the opposite opinion from folk that look down on other. Its close to the place that addresses knuckle heads that think they own a particular pew 😂🤣😂🤣

Come on decon, you can do it. 😂🤣😂🤣


Here is the dress code for women and men
1st Tim 2:9-10
1st Peter 3:3-4
This is not all but there is absolutely nothing about getting all dressed up
I wear a Stetson hat all the time and yes on Sunday too
I feel my jeans, sports jacket, boots and hat are sufficient and I’ve never been convicted over this way of dressing



Isn't there a verse or two that talks about women should cover their head in church and men should not?


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Re: Church attire [Re: TDog93] #4297838
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Originally Posted by TDog93
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Glad i looked back - Andalusia gets it

How about the scripture that says - well its james 2 vs 2-6. Basically says the fabulously dressed man with a gold ring it given the best seat (judging off his attire - by the way - we not supposed too judge that sort of thing) then the poorly dressed person comes in church and people say - go sit at that person's foot stool - the worst possible seat - again judging - not right. Its about love - and some people will fight to be right on this - its not about being right - its about doing what is right

Scripture shoots down the whole dressed up stance pretty hard. I hav done both fancy and average - neither matter!



Kinda judging the dress up crowd. 😂

I agree it doesn’t really matter as being a Christian

It’s not about over dressing and or underdressing but respect. If you meet in a formal situation one should dress appropriately. Doesn’t matter if it’s Church or a wedding it’s about wearing what’s appropriate for the circumstances and respect for the situation. If your Church is laid back so be it, if it’s a formal Mass so be it.

One thing I will say as the transformation of dressing down opened up the doors to very informal weddings to the point ceremonies looked like paparazzi had taken over. It had gotten so bad with roving shooters that preachers performing the ceremonies would actually mention no photos during the ceremony. I guess my angst comes from that. I watched from the front row as class devolved into somewhat chaos. Not just weddings but also commencements.

I get the sentiment as once I grew older I did not wear my new duds for Easter Sunday. It’s not a fashion show.

What I’m speaking to is lack of respect for the circumstances. I’d imagine a 3 piece suit is inappropriate for a Cowboy Church


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Originally Posted by deadeye48
Show Here is the dress code for women and men
1st Tim 2:9-10
1st Peter 3:3-4
This is not all but there is absolutely nothing about getting all dressed up
I wear a Stetson hat all the time and yes on Sunday too
I feel my jeans, sports jacket, boots and hat are sufficient and I’ve never been convicted over this way of dressing

This is a good example of why it's important to know the context of scripture in order to truly understand it's intent and to not misinterpret it. (I'm not talking about you, by the way, just "people" in general).

To quote Wesley Huff "The scripture was written for you, but it wasn't written to you. Meaning, it's important to understand who is talking, who they're talking to, and why. Someone taking 1 Timothy 2:9-10 on its own, without knowing the historical/cultural context, would take that to mean women today shouldn't braid their hair or wear jewelry. Period.

Paul was writing to Timothy, regarding the church in Ephesus. At that time and in that culture, braided hair was considered a status symbol. It also mentions expensive jewelry and clothes, much more-so than the average person would have had. Paul isn't calling these specific things out because there's anything necessarily wrong with them, in and of themselves, but because of what they represent and the intent behind wearing something like that while worshipping. It would almost be the modern-day equivalent of a woman hiring a professional hair stylist and make up "artist", like they might today for a wedding, but every time they went to church....or a man wearing a tuxedo and tails to church every Sunday morning. Braided hair, today, is by no means a "status symbol" (although excessively expensive jewelry certainly is). Paul's point is that one should not dress for worship so as to show off to others because that means they're more concerned with others' opinion of them rather than truly worshipping God.

If anything, Paul's letter to Timothy, and his general point, would seem to indicate that wearing "regular" clothes to church is actually more appropriate than wearing your "Sunday best"....

Ultimately, neither is "better" or "worse" than the other, on their own merit. It's all about the intent.




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Originally Posted by GomerPyle
Originally Posted by deadeye48
Show Here is the dress code for women and men
1st Tim 2:9-10
1st Peter 3:3-4
This is not all but there is absolutely nothing about getting all dressed up
I wear a Stetson hat all the time and yes on Sunday too
I feel my jeans, sports jacket, boots and hat are sufficient and I’ve never been convicted over this way of dressing

This is a good example of why it's important to know the context of scripture in order to truly understand it's intent and to not misinterpret it. (I'm not talking about you, by the way, just "people" in general).

To quote Wesley Huff "The scripture was written for you, but it wasn't written to you. Meaning, it's important to understand who is talking, who they're talking to, and why. Someone taking 1 Timothy 2:9-10 on its own, without knowing the historical/cultural context, would take that to mean women today shouldn't braid their hair or wear jewelry. Period.

Paul was writing to Timothy, regarding the church in Ephesus. At that time and in that culture, braided hair was considered a status symbol. It also mentions expensive jewelry and clothes, much more-so than the average person would have had. Paul isn't calling these specific things out because there's anything necessarily wrong with them, in and of themselves, but because of what they represent and the intent behind wearing something like that while worshipping. It would almost be the modern-day equivalent of a woman hiring a professional hair stylist and make up "artist", like they might today for a wedding, but every time they went to church....or a man wearing a tuxedo and tails to church every Sunday morning. Braided hair, today, is by no means a "status symbol" (although excessively expensive jewelry certainly is). Paul's point is that one should not dress for worship so as to show off to others because that means they're more concerned with others' opinion of them rather than truly worshipping God.

If anything, Paul's letter to Timothy, and his general point, would seem to indicate that wearing "regular" clothes to church is actually more appropriate than wearing your "Sunday best"....

Ultimately, neither is "better" or "worse" than the other, on their own merit. It's all about the intent.




You’re absolutely correct about contextual intent but we do use this as a guideline for our dress and conduct
To dress to draw attention to yourself in the house of God should never be done
If you wouldn’t act or talk in a particular way in the house of God neither should you do it outside the house of God


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Originally Posted by deadeye48
You’re absolutely correct about contextual intent but we do use this as a guideline for our dress and conduct
To dress to draw attention to yourself in the house of God should never be done
If you wouldn’t act or talk in a particular way in the house of God neither should you do it outside the house of God

Correct, I think we're on the same page...

Short Version: It's not really important what you wear to church (within reason, obviously) as long as you're there to worship and not trying to draw attention to yourself instead of God

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Dressing like a levite priest these days would never draw attention 😂🤣😂🤣

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Me and my brothers when we were kids were told to go home because we were dressed in street clothes ..blue jeans button up shirts and we wore our converse Bball-shoes to church.... we were clean .... just not dressed in suit clothes and polished shoes... the next Sunday we go back in street clothes but had dress up shoes on...still told to go home.... early the next week the Priest calls my Dad and says tell your sons come back to church they were dressed just fine and don't worry ever again about what those church folks told em to go home til they dress right.

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Originally Posted by JohnnyLoco
Dressing like a levite priest these days would never draw attention 😂🤣😂🤣


Since none of us are Levites and haven’t a clue how they dressed then I’d say we’re all safe from any condemnation


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Exodus 28 talks about how they dressed. That was a different day and a different covenant.

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Originally Posted by GomerPyle
Originally Posted by deadeye48
Show Here is the dress code for women and men
1st Tim 2:9-10
1st Peter 3:3-4
This is not all but there is absolutely nothing about getting all dressed up
I wear a Stetson hat all the time and yes on Sunday too
I feel my jeans, sports jacket, boots and hat are sufficient and I’ve never been convicted over this way of dressing

This is a good example of why it's important to know the context of scripture in order to truly understand it's intent and to not misinterpret it. (I'm not talking about you, by the way, just "people" in general).

To quote Wesley Huff "The scripture was written for you, but it wasn't written to you. Meaning, it's important to understand who is talking, who they're talking to, and why. Someone taking 1 Timothy 2:9-10 on its own, without knowing the historical/cultural context, would take that to mean women today shouldn't braid their hair or wear jewelry. Period.

Paul was writing to Timothy, regarding the church in Ephesus. At that time and in that culture, braided hair was considered a status symbol. It also mentions expensive jewelry and clothes, much more-so than the average person would have had. Paul isn't calling these specific things out because there's anything necessarily wrong with them, in and of themselves, but because of what they represent and the intent behind wearing something like that while worshipping. It would almost be the modern-day equivalent of a woman hiring a professional hair stylist and make up "artist", like they might today for a wedding, but every time they went to church....or a man wearing a tuxedo and tails to church every Sunday morning. Braided hair, today, is by no means a "status symbol" (although excessively expensive jewelry certainly is). Paul's point is that one should not dress for worship so as to show off to others because that means they're more concerned with others' opinion of them rather than truly worshipping God.

If anything, Paul's letter to Timothy, and his general point, would seem to indicate that wearing "regular" clothes to church is actually more appropriate than wearing your "Sunday best"....

Ultimately, neither is "better" or "worse" than the other, on their own merit. It's all about the intent.






I agree with this. context is key God told Noah to build a boat but that doesn't mean we should go out and build a boat.

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Exodus 28 talks about how they dressed. That was a different day and a different covenant.


It speaks of women's undergarments.



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Originally Posted by BPI
Exodus 28 talks about how they dressed. That was a different day and a different covenant.


Yeah it do 😂🤣😂🙏🏻

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Originally Posted by GomerPyle
Originally Posted by deadeye48
Show Here is the dress code for women and men
1st Tim 2:9-10
1st Peter 3:3-4
This is not all but there is absolutely nothing about getting all dressed up
I wear a Stetson hat all the time and yes on Sunday too
I feel my jeans, sports jacket, boots and hat are sufficient and I’ve never been convicted over this way of dressing

This is a good example of why it's important to know the context of scripture in order to truly understand it's intent and to not misinterpret it. (I'm not talking about you, by the way, just "people" in general).

To quote Wesley Huff "The scripture was written for you, but it wasn't written to you. Meaning, it's important to understand who is talking, who they're talking to, and why. Someone taking 1 Timothy 2:9-10 on its own, without knowing the historical/cultural context, would take that to mean women today shouldn't braid their hair or wear jewelry. Period.

Paul was writing to Timothy, regarding the church in Ephesus. At that time and in that culture, braided hair was considered a status symbol. It also mentions expensive jewelry and clothes, much more-so than the average person would have had. Paul isn't calling these specific things out because there's anything necessarily wrong with them, in and of themselves, but because of what they represent and the intent behind wearing something like that while worshipping. It would almost be the modern-day equivalent of a woman hiring a professional hair stylist and make up "artist", like they might today for a wedding, but every time they went to church....or a man wearing a tuxedo and tails to church every Sunday morning. Braided hair, today, is by no means a "status symbol" (although excessively expensive jewelry certainly is). Paul's point is that one should not dress for worship so as to show off to others because that means they're more concerned with others' opinion of them rather than truly worshipping God.

If anything, Paul's letter to Timothy, and his general point, would seem to indicate that wearing "regular" clothes to church is actually more appropriate than wearing your "Sunday best"....

Ultimately, neither is "better" or "worse" than the other, on their own merit. It's all about the intent.






I agree with this. context is key God told Noah to build a boat but that doesn't mean we should go out and build a boat.

gomer is a master at organizing his thoughts and putting them to text.


You hit the nail on the head about Gomer!!

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