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Re: Tariffs hitting the markets [Re: Fattyfireplug] #4306930
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Originally Posted by Fattyfireplug
Originally Posted by Frankie
Originally Posted by jmj120
I’m afraid Trump is handing the midterms over to the democrats. Hopefully they get this tax bill passed and signed into law soon.






I dont understand how you really see that . What he ran and was elected for


Hes doing just what he said he was gonna do


Those who will cut and run when the first shots are fired are showing themselves aren't they? Tolerance for pain for the greater good simply isn't there. It's one of our biggest weaknesses. Destroying ourselves from the inside.
Lots of folks who talk a tough game. But when it really matters, they'll cut and run. It's on display today.

Name one person who is happy this afternoon that their 401K or stock portfolio is down 10% since Trump got in. Will it get better? History says yes. Will the Democrats have a good midterm if we are in a recession? I think so.
Again, this needed to happen, I support it, that doesn't mean you can't discuss it.

Re: Tariffs hitting the markets [Re: wew3006] #4306933
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Like I say, if the Republicans can find a way to F it up they will but I don't see it being Trumps fault

Re: Tariffs hitting the markets [Re: Fattyfireplug] #4306938
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Originally Posted by Fattyfireplug
Originally Posted by Frankie
Originally Posted by jmj120
I’m afraid Trump is handing the midterms over to the democrats. Hopefully they get this tax bill passed and signed into law soon.






I dont understand how you really see that . What he ran and was elected for


Hes doing just what he said he was gonna do


Those who will cut and run when the first shots are fired are showing themselves aren't they? Tolerance for pain for the greater good simply isn't there. It's one of our biggest weaknesses. Destroying ourselves from the inside.
Lots of folks who talk a tough game. But when it really matters, they'll cut and run. It's on display today.


Yeap! I'm not worried about what my retirement account does today or this week, next week. If I was - or was retiring soon - I wouldn't have that money invested in stocks any longer. In fact, I put in more today.

Re: Tariffs hitting the markets [Re: Frankie] #4306939
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Originally Posted by Frankie
Like I say, if the Republicans can find a way to F it up they will but I don't see it being Trumps fault

If they get this bill passed things will get better.

Re: Tariffs hitting the markets [Re: jmj120] #4306942
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Originally Posted by jmj120
Originally Posted by Frankie
Like I say, if the Republicans can find a way to F it up they will but I don't see it being Trumps fault

If they get this bill passed things will get better.





I hope the dont stop the tariffs

Re: Tariffs hitting the markets [Re: Frankie] #4306943
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Originally Posted by Frankie
Originally Posted by jmj120
Originally Posted by Frankie
Like I say, if the Republicans can find a way to F it up they will but I don't see it being Trumps fault

If they get this bill passed things will get better.





I hope the dont stop the tariffs

"I don't think there's any chance that President Trump is gonna back off his tariffs," Commerce Secretary Howard Lutnick said on the network.

That was the Commerce Secretary this morning. We shall see if this if a bargaining chip or something permanent.

Re: Tariffs hitting the markets [Re: wew3006] #4306945
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Yeah but the house and senate steps in and takes that advantage away from him. It'll hurt , just a card he don't have to play

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Re: Tariffs hitting the markets [Re: wew3006] #4306948
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Pretty sure Trump knows it might cause a little pain for us but also knows it'll cause other countries a lot more.

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Re: Tariffs hitting the markets [Re: globe] #4306961
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Originally Posted by globe
Berkshire is still holding cash, waiting on the correction imo.


Yep, just $ 330 Billion + ! I read that's the most cash any company in history has had in reserve . He may buy some huge company soon and /or some HUGE blocks of stocks. Lots of folks don't know they own a bunch of companies outright, I believe the believe the largest is BNSF RR.

I've been nibbling on Berk B for a couple of months , already had several shares. Don't know about after today , but I'm up on every purchase. I plan on adding more.



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Re: Tariffs hitting the markets [Re: abolt300] #4306964
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Originally Posted by abolt300
Been watching this unfold and here are some thoughts. Not sure that he's actually a long term/strategic enough thinker to do this, but is Trump attempting to intentionally put the US into a short recession to force treasury yields down, thus strategically reducing the interest that we are paying on our national debt (1.6 trillion in 2025)? While at the same time, forcing a complete re-negotiation of essentially all foreign trade agreements, while forcing a ton of manufacturing and jobs to come home? in other words, basically manipulating the US economy and international trade in order to be able to restructure and refi our debt and debt service, at favorable terms, just like you would do by taking advantage of refinancing your house at a lower rate, if you were in a position to be able to force the rates down at your own discretion and timing?

Scott Bessent certainly is strategic enough to do it and he said this morning, three times, that rates would be coming "way" down. If they can thread the needle and pull it off, it will be a huge win/win for the US. Helps with our cashflow and debt issues. Once new trade deals are negotiated, prices will come down on all the foreign crap that the US is addicted to. It brings jobs home, while at the same time opening up and making international trade much more favorable for US businesses, and those businesses will be paying additional US taxes on all that additional revenue. He's also said repeatedly over the past two weeks, that the US is not going to go into a recession. By definition that's a 6 month period.

Only question is, how long would the manipulated recession last (it's technically only a recession if there are 2 quarters of negative GDP....real definition, not the BS that Biden's group changed the definition to, in order to claim that we were not in a recession) and can they pull this off without crashing the US economy. Some jobs will be lost and some weaker companies will fall to the wayside but those that survive will be in much better shape moving into the future. Safety net, if it goes bad, is to simply drop all the tariffs and everything resets back to where it was.

We are living in very complicated and interesting financial times. I'll also mention that China and many other countries are constantly doing similar things, on a regular basis, through trade, govt subsidized industries, and blatant currency manipulation. Fun Fun. Buckle up.


Originally Posted by abolt300
Pwyse, it's a calculated risk. I'm betting it works and also feel certain that they will not let it go all the way into a full blown crash before pulling that parachute, if they think it is headed that way. They've teased this out over the last several months and the market has slowly cooled off, and in a semi-controlled manner, sold off. Not crashed. I could easily be wrong, but at this point, I really think it is all planned and intentional.



I’m agreeing with what you’re saying and it’s being played out as Trumps team planned

The thing that I’m not seeing mentioned is just much overvaluation has been in the market. The FED had been pumping cash in since Obama’s terms and never slowed down. If anything has ramped up. If those infusions are cut or somewhat cut back does the market correct itself along side Trumps play.

Biden’s team kept the markets flush with cash and cheap money until it crapped out with inflationary spikes


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Re: Tariffs hitting the markets [Re: 2Dogs] #4306967
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Originally Posted by 2Dogs
Originally Posted by globe
Berkshire is still holding cash, waiting on the correction imo.


Yep, just $ 330 Billion + ! I read that's the most cash any company in history has had in reserve . He may buy some huge company soon and /or some HUGE blocks of stocks. Lots of folks don't know they own a bunch of companies outright, I believe the believe the largest is BNSF RR.

I've been nibbling on Berk B for a couple of months , already had several shares. Don't know about after today , but I'm up on every purchase. I plan on adding more.


GEICO is Berkshire's largest wholly owned company

Re: Tariffs hitting the markets [Re: cartervj] #4306970
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Originally Posted by cartervj
Originally Posted by abolt300
Been watching this unfold and here are some thoughts. Not sure that he's actually a long term/strategic enough thinker to do this, but is Trump attempting to intentionally put the US into a short recession to force treasury yields down, thus strategically reducing the interest that we are paying on our national debt (1.6 trillion in 2025)? While at the same time, forcing a complete re-negotiation of essentially all foreign trade agreements, while forcing a ton of manufacturing and jobs to come home? in other words, basically manipulating the US economy and international trade in order to be able to restructure and refi our debt and debt service, at favorable terms, just like you would do by taking advantage of refinancing your house at a lower rate, if you were in a position to be able to force the rates down at your own discretion and timing?

Scott Bessent certainly is strategic enough to do it and he said this morning, three times, that rates would be coming "way" down. If they can thread the needle and pull it off, it will be a huge win/win for the US. Helps with our cashflow and debt issues. Once new trade deals are negotiated, prices will come down on all the foreign crap that the US is addicted to. It brings jobs home, while at the same time opening up and making international trade much more favorable for US businesses, and those businesses will be paying additional US taxes on all that additional revenue. He's also said repeatedly over the past two weeks, that the US is not going to go into a recession. By definition that's a 6 month period.

Only question is, how long would the manipulated recession last (it's technically only a recession if there are 2 quarters of negative GDP....real definition, not the BS that Biden's group changed the definition to, in order to claim that we were not in a recession) and can they pull this off without crashing the US economy. Some jobs will be lost and some weaker companies will fall to the wayside but those that survive will be in much better shape moving into the future. Safety net, if it goes bad, is to simply drop all the tariffs and everything resets back to where it was.

We are living in very complicated and interesting financial times. I'll also mention that China and many other countries are constantly doing similar things, on a regular basis, through trade, govt subsidized industries, and blatant currency manipulation. Fun Fun. Buckle up.


Originally Posted by abolt300
Pwyse, it's a calculated risk. I'm betting it works and also feel certain that they will not let it go all the way into a full blown crash before pulling that parachute, if they think it is headed that way. They've teased this out over the last several months and the market has slowly cooled off, and in a semi-controlled manner, sold off. Not crashed. I could easily be wrong, but at this point, I really think it is all planned and intentional.



I’m agreeing with what you’re saying and it’s being played out as Trumps team planned

The thing that I’m not seeing mentioned is just much overvaluation has been in the market. The FED had been pumping cash in since Obama’s terms and never slowed down. If anything has ramped up. If those infusions are cut or somewhat cut back does the market correct itself along side Trumps play.

Biden’s team kept the markets flush with cash and cheap money until it crapped out with inflationary spikes

I agree with Biden keeping the market pumped up, but that last run in the last quarter was the Trump effect. Started running up when it looked like Trump was going to win then kept going.. Euphoria......

Re: Tariffs hitting the markets [Re: wew3006] #4306980
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Originally Posted by wew3006
Originally Posted by 2Dogs
Originally Posted by globe
Berkshire is still holding cash, waiting on the correction imo.


Yep, just $ 330 Billion + ! I read that's the most cash any company in history has had in reserve . He may buy some huge company soon and /or some HUGE blocks of stocks. Lots of folks don't know they own a bunch of companies outright, I believe the believe the largest is BNSF RR.

I've been nibbling on Berk B for a couple of months , already had several shares. Don't know about after today , but I'm up on every purchase. I plan on adding more.


GEICO is Berkshire's largest wholly owned company


I'm seeing BNSF has 92 billion in assets and estimated worth 200 billion if it were a public traded company. Geico has about 32 billion in assets and is worth about 50 billion. Heck, Berk paid 34 billion for BNSF in 2010. Least that's what I found on the interwebs.





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The saltwater boys are pissed. 25% increase on Yamaha engines and parts..

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Originally Posted by jmj120
The saltwater boys are pissed. 25% increase on Yamaha engines and parts..


Yeah but outboard engines were already so cheap 🙄

Re: Tariffs hitting the markets [Re: wew3006] #4307013
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It's taken decades for our politicians to create this mess and sell out the American people.

The road to correcting this mess will be rough.

Trump is the ONLY man who doesn't GAF about the political fallout and the balls to do WHAT MUST BE DONE.

This chit didn't happen overnight and won't be fixed overnight. There's gonna be some pain along the way but it's gotta happen for our future prosperity as a country.


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Asian markets are taking a beating right now. Tomorrow could be a real Black Friday.


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This thread makes my head hurt. I prob should have spent less time in the woods and more time figuring out stuff like y’all talk about.


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Re: Tariffs hitting the markets [Re: wew3006] #4307028
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I rekin if the market crashes…ill still change the oil in the rambler like i always dun


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Originally Posted by AU338MAG
It's taken decades for our politicians to create this mess and sell out the American people.

The road to correcting this mess will be rough.

Trump is the ONLY man who doesn't GAF about the political fallout and the balls to do WHAT MUST BE DONE.

This chit didn't happen overnight and won't be fixed overnight. There's gonna be some pain along the way but it's gotta happen for our future prosperity as a country.

I hope like hell Trump's bunch knows what they're doing and not just telling him what he want's to hear. As I said earlier, every economist I heard today can't understand why they did this or what calculations they used

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