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Baiting Bill is back #525687
02/06/13 03:21 PM
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Senate Bill 88 there is also sister bill in the legislature which is the same, House Bill 118

SYNOPSIS: Under existing law, a landowner may lawfully
9 provide supplemental feed for birds and animals on
10 his or her private land. Also, existing law
11 prohibits whitetail deer from being hunted over
12 bait.
13 This bill would allow whitetail deer to be
14 hunted on private land within a certain area in
15 relation to supplemental feeding.
16
17 A BILL
18 TO BE ENTITLED
19 AN ACT
20
21 Relating to hunting; to amend Section 9-11-244 of
22 the Code of Alabama 1975, to allow whitetail deer to be hunted
23 on private land under certain conditions within an area in
24 relation to supplemental feeding.
25 BE IT ENACTED BY THE LEGISLATURE OF ALABAMA:
26 Section 1. The Legislature, in enacting this act,
27 finds the following:
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1 (1) The bird and animal population of this state
2 benefit greatly as a result of supplemental feeding
3 particularly during winter months.
4 (2) The current law has caused many landowners to
5 discontinue supplemental feeding during deer season to avoid
6 an inadvertent violation of the law and a resulting citation.
7 (3) The purpose of this act is to clarify the area
8 in which supplemental feeding may take place through the use
9 of a mechanical, gravity, or trough feeder in relation to any
10 hunter on the land.
11 Section 2. This act shall be known as the Hunter
12 Protection Act.
13 Section 3. Section 9-11-244 of the Code of Alabama
14 1975, is amended to read as follows:
15 "�9-11-244.
16 "(a) Except as otherwise provided for whitetail deer
17 in subsection (b), no No person at any time shall take, catch,
18 kill, or attempt to take, catch, or kill any bird or animal
19 protected by law or regulation of the State of Alabama by
20 means, aid, or use, directly or indirectly, of any bait such
21 as shelled, shucked, or unshucked corn or of wheat or other
22 grain, salt, or any other feed whatsoever that has been so
23 deposited, placed, distributed, or scattered as to constitute
24 for such birds or animals a lure, attraction, or enticement
25 to, on or over the area where such hunter or hunters are
26 attempting to kill or take them; provided, that such birds or
27 animals may be taken under properly shocked corn and standing
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1 crops of corn, wheat, or other grain or feed and grains
2 scattered solely as a result of normal agricultural harvesting
3 and provided further, migratory birds may be hunted under the
4 most recent provisions established by the U.S. Fish and
5 Wildlife Service or regulations promulgated by the
6 Commissioner of the Department of Conservation and Natural
7 Resources within the limits of the federal regulations.
8 "(b)(1) On private lands, whitetail deer may be
9 hunted more than 100 yards from a supplemental feeder provided
10 the feeder is outside of the line of sight of the hunter. For
11 purposes of this subsection, "outside of the line of sight"
12 means "hidden from view by natural vegetation or naturally
13 occurring terrain features."
14 "(2) This subsection shall not apply on public
15 lands."
16 Section 4. This act shall become effective on the
17 first day of the third month following its passage and
18 approval by the Governor, or its otherwise becoming law.
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Re: Baiting Bill is back [Re: Skinny] #525688
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Same as Mississippi's, isn't it ... out of the line of sight?


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Re: Baiting Bill is back [Re: Skinny] #525744
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I dont know if its the same as Miss, but from the looks of how this one is set up it stands a better chance of passing than previous years.


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Re: Baiting Bill is back [Re: Skinny] #525791
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Am I wrong.. or can you not already run a feeder... and hunt near the feeder as long as you arent in view of the feeder or hunting a trail leading to the feeder? Dont know law verbage but right or wrong... we run feeders and just make sure stands arent near them.

Re: Baiting Bill is back [Re: Skinny] #525802
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All this bill does is define "baited area", so it is no longer up to each officer's discretion. It Will make enforcement much easier.

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Sad that "hunting" is no longer what people want to do. Instant gratification society, can anybody guess what will be the next cure all?? I need to become rich off of the stupid and would like to figure the next cure all snake oil out, I am opinion for suggestions!


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Doesn't make a difference to me......too many bears to even think about feeding on my lease. Maybe my neighbors will and draw the bears off me.....that would nice laugh


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I believe that is how the MS law is worded.

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The bird and animal population of this state
2 benefit greatly as a result of supplemental feeding
3 particularly during winter months.

its for the good of the animals and people that sell feeders


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Originally Posted by AlphaMale
The bird and animal population of this state
2 benefit greatly as a result of supplemental feeding
3 particularly during winter months.

its for the good of the animals and people that sell feeders


That is typically hilarious politician BS!! I guess all of the animals die off in every winter, oh no they don't!, Never mind, just stupid politicians doing stupid politician BS!


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Re: Baiting Bill is back [Re: Clem] #525853
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Originally Posted by Clem
Same as Mississippi's, isn't it ... out of the line of sight?


So I can put a pile of corn out at 20 yards and put a piece of plywood in front so I can't see it and be ok? grin

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Originally Posted by hollywud20
Originally Posted by Clem
Same as Mississippi's, isn't it ... out of the line of sight?


So I can put a pile of corn out at 20 yards and put a piece of plywood in front so I can't see it and be ok? grin


thats what everyone was saying about the last year's proposition.


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I am constantly amazed at people's lack of reading comprehension.......

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100 yards AND out of line of sight. Must meet both requirements.

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Not to mention.....

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outside of the line of sight" means "hidden from view by natural vegetation or naturally occurring terrain features."


I don't see a lot of naturally occurring plywood where I hunt.....

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Originally Posted by Hogwild
Not to mention.....



I don't see a lot of naturally occurring plywood where I hunt.....


Um... well... we did. We came back a few years ago and found lots of plywood... even some siding... roofing... half a fishing boat... and insulation. grin

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And you considered it vegetation????? smile

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Originally Posted by Matt Brock
100 yards AND out of line of sight. Must meet both requirements.


I can think of multiple ways a hunter could legally set this up so that even though they comply with the law their hunt is positively impacted by the feeder. I thought the entire idea was to provide a clear and defined law that would allow land managers the ability to "feed" during the hunting season without having to worry about being ticketed based on a GW's discretion or opinions, which I think makes sense. However, this seems more like a way to legalize baiting, but throw in the 100 yds and out of line of sight just so law makers can argue that it's not intended to allow baiting... Maybe I'm wrong but if passed who wants to bet that all of a sudden there will be hundreds of clubs and landowners that all of a sudden feel the need to "feed" their deer during hunting season to save the deer, birds and other wildlife that would most definitely starve in the harsh winter environment that this state has. I agree the law as it stands is stupid, but this particular law is drafted as a soft intro. to baiting in Alabama. JMO

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Originally Posted by Hogwild
And you considered it vegetation????? smile

Lmao


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Originally Posted by truedouble
Originally Posted by Matt Brock
100 yards AND out of line of sight. Must meet both requirements.


I can think of multiple ways a hunter could legally set this up so that even though they comply with the law their hunt is positively impacted by the feeder. I thought the entire idea was to provide a clear and defined law that would allow land managers the ability to "feed" during the hunting season without having to worry about being ticketed based on a GW's discretion or opinions, which I think makes sense. However, this seems more like a way to legalize baiting, but throw in the 100 yds and out of line of sight just so law makers can argue that it's not intended to allow baiting... Maybe I'm wrong but if passed who wants to bet that all of a sudden there will be hundreds of clubs and landowners that all of a sudden feel the need to "feed" their deer during hunting season to save the deer, birds and other wildlife that would most definitely starve in the harsh winter environment that this state has. I agree the law as it stands is stupid, but this particular law is drafted as a soft intro. to baiting in Alabama. JMO





If you ever thought the baiting bill was really about supplemental feeding you started off on the wrong foot.


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