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Re: AL.com article on Alabama dog hunters and extended season [Re: JDute] #542089
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Originally Posted By: JDute
The meeting is tonight (Monday).
well that sucks.....I am working nights frown


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Re: AL.com article on Alabama dog hunters and extended season [Re: Clem] #542096
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You got me, Clem. Mainly, I think I am sort of taken aback by Jeff`s vocal support of dog hunting. Being a news reporter, I thought he might have taken a more "middle of the road" stance. By showing his hand, I kinda view his opinions a little differently now. I think what I was trying to say was that if the state outlawed dog hunting, maybe that would cut down on the chatter about it being legitimate. It would be illegal and non-debatable.

Re: AL.com article on Alabama dog hunters and extended season [Re: ShaneB] #542106
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Originally Posted By: ShaneB
You got me, Clem. Mainly, I think I am sort of taken aback by Jeff`s vocal support of dog hunting. Being a news reporter, I thought he might have taken a more "middle of the road" stance. By showing his hajnd, I kinda view his opinions a little differently now. I think what I was trying to say was that if the state outlawed dog hunting, maybe that would cut down on the chatter about it being legitimate. It would be illegal and non-debatable.
Jeff is a reporter but he also has a right to his opinion. If you have followed Jeff's writings you would know he enjoys not only the occasional deer hunt with dogs but also small game hunting too. Me and Jeff might not agree on everything but as a fellow outdoorsman he has my respect. I think he approaches these subjects with the ability to see both sides of the issues.

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Re: AL.com article on Alabama dog hunters and extended season [Re: bigt] #542120
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BigT...I live in Saraland so I thoroughly enjoy reading your reports. Having read Jeff`s material for years..all the way back to his early Gulf Coast Outdoors days...I don`t recall ever reading anything about his support for dog deer hunting. It might have been staring me in the face all those years and I missed it. Jeff has forgotten more about the outdoors than I will ever know and he certainly has my respect, but on this issue we will have to disagree. The fly in the ointment to me are small game hunters. I don`t have a clue about what to do for them.

Re: AL.com article on Alabama dog hunters and extended season [Re: bigt] #542232
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It is fine if you don't want dogs on your lease but don't try
take someone else's right and privilege.You don't own land,animals,trees;etc.,God just let,s us enjoy it while we
are on Earth.Meanwhile we need to be preparing to live with him one day,which is more important than any decision we will ever
make.God bless.

Re: AL.com article on Alabama dog hunters and extended season [Re: timbercruiser] #542252
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Originally Posted By: timbercruiser
I am in favor of dog hunting as long as the club has a large contiguous tract of land they can keep their dogs on, but when they impede others from enjoying their hunting by tresspass on others land then changes and restrictions need to be made.


I agree, but I don't believe there is a track of land big enough to contain deer dog hunters. I'm convinced they believe all the deer live around the painted trees.

Re: AL.com article on Alabama dog hunters and extended season [Re: bigt] #542519
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Just think what the dog hunters would get away with if all the still hunt club menbers were at home for 10 days! smile


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Re: AL.com article on Alabama dog hunters and extended season [Re: deadeye] #542593
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Originally Posted By: deadeye
Just think what the dog hunters would get away with if all the still hunt club menbers were at home for 10 days! smile


No more than they do already in our area. They could care less if your trying to still hunt or not. They turn them loose and let them run on theirs and everyone elses either way.

Re: AL.com article on Alabama dog hunters and extended season [Re: bigt] #542672
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Ya'll are stereotyping dog hunters.I don't put tree climbers in
the same classification.The more ya"ll whine about their right,
the worse it going to get.There are plenty of law abiding dog
hunters out there.If someone is doing something illegal call the
game warden.

Re: AL.com article on Alabama dog hunters and extended season [Re: bigt] #542960
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I got no beef with dog hunters, EXCEPT we aren't playing on a level field. My entire case against dog hunting rests solely on the merit of one recommendation: It should only be allowed on private land.
Exhibit A is "Cheaha Mountain" (Talladega Nat'l Forest). It seems that nearly every day during the dog/gun season, there are literally dozens of dog hunters, lining every road. One Saturday around New Years I rode the entire length of FS Road 637 (Cherrytree Rd) and saw 33 trucks parked with dog boxes, or riding with dog boxes. That road is 15 miles long, and that's just the trucks that were on the main road, who knows how many were spread down the side roads??? I wasted two hours trying to find an unaffected place to hunt, and couldn't find one single place that dog hunters weren't at. What should be 100,000 acres of prime deer real estate is reduced to smoldering, hammered, pressured to death, waste-land after only a week or so of the season. There's a period of two weeks during Christmas where I guarantee you the dogs run all day, and all night if they aren't caught. What this results in is that nobody outside of these dog hunting groups can expect to have an ounce of success hunting there. The roads are wollered out, the deer are run out of the county, you can't even Fall turkey hunt anywhere on that entire mountain because of it.

On the other hand, someone like me, carrying a tree stand in and climbing every weekend or two, does essentially NOTHING to affect the dog hunters.

It's an inequitable trade off. Dog hunting should be totally outlawed on all public lands.


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Re: AL.com article on Alabama dog hunters and extended season [Re: bigt] #542974
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How about coon hunting and quail/rabbit hunting with dogs on public land?


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Re: AL.com article on Alabama dog hunters and extended season [Re: bigt] #542975
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So, in a nutshell.....

YOU, by yourself, have more Rights than all those other hunters together as a group? And the only way anyone should be able to enjoy PUBLIC Land is if they choose to do it in a manner that you approve of.


Interesting.

Re: AL.com article on Alabama dog hunters and extended season [Re: bigt] #543132
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Negative, and you know that ain't what I mean. In fact, what I'm saying is that the opposite has become true by default. The sheer number of dog hunters, and the excessive amount of activity and pressure they impose, renders a PUBLIC land unusable to ANYONE ELSE BUT THEM. Oh sure, I'm free and able to hunt up there, but why?....it's a ruined wasteland of crowded muddy roads and deer-less woods. This is likely one of those issues where you can't understand the gravity of it if you aren't there yourself. I couldn't exaggerate enough to express how much landmass they assume on a near daily basis, and how much pressure they assert on the wildlife.
When a select group has such a large-scale negative impact that it literally becomes their own personal hunting club, then it's worthy of addressing. No joke, spend half a day next season riding that whole mountain, and you will sincerely feel like you are trespassing on the club of the world's largest dog hunting lease.


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Re: AL.com article on Alabama dog hunters and extended season [Re: Hogwild] #543159
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Hogwild, you hit the nail on the head. I pay to lease land every year. I like to squirrel hunt with my cur dog (that will not run a deer) , but that just ain't gonna happen during deer season. I deer hunt too and don't try to hunt my dog during prime times in the season, but it really don't hurt much. After the second week of gun season the deer in my parts go into a major funk. I would like to squirrel hunt more this time of year but I patiently wait until Feb. By the way, if you are fortunate enough to own good squirrell and rabbit dogs you won't have to bum a trip off of anybody. I take people hunting at my place, and usually go to a few friends places every year. I also like to sit down to a turkey in the spring, and then catch a few white perch. I am not a one dimensional outdoorsman, but you got to have some time during the season to chase all that we are blessed with in Bama.

Re: AL.com article on Alabama dog hunters and extended season [Re: ikillbux] #543192
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Originally Posted By: ikillbux
I got no beef with dog hunters, EXCEPT we aren't playing on a level field. My entire case against dog hunting rests solely on the merit of one recommendation: It should only be allowed on private land.
Exhibit A is "Cheaha Mountain" (Talladega Nat'l Forest). It seems that nearly every day during the dog/gun season, there are literally dozens of dog hunters, lining every road. One Saturday around New Years I rode the entire length of FS Road 637 (Cherrytree Rd) and saw 33 trucks parked with dog boxes, or riding with dog boxes. That road is 15 miles long, and that's just the trucks that were on the main road, who knows how many were spread down the side roads??? I wasted two hours trying to find an unaffected place to hunt, and couldn't find one single place that dog hunters weren't at. What should be 100,000 acres of prime deer real estate is reduced to smoldering, hammered, pressured to death, waste-land after only a week or so of the season. There's a period of two weeks during Christmas where I guarantee you the dogs run all day, and all night if they aren't caught. What this results in is that nobody outside of these dog hunting groups can expect to have an ounce of success hunting there. The roads are wollered out, the deer are run out of the county, you can't even Fall turkey hunt anywhere on that entire mountain because of it.

On the other hand, someone like me, carrying a tree stand in and climbing every weekend or two, does essentially NOTHING to affect the dog hunters.

It's an inequitable trade off. Dog hunting should be totally outlawed on all public lands.




I have to disagree with you. The club I'm in has 10,000 continuous acres of land. You can turn dogs loose in a block of woods several times in a row and jump deer every time. In the area I hunt in, deer are not bothered by dogs the way y'all say they are. If I was a still hunter I would climb a tree right in the middle of a dog club and kill my share I guarantee you that. Y'all have a bless day. Jon


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Re: AL.com article on Alabama dog hunters and extended season [Re: bigt] #543296
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Public land is just that PUBLIC. It is for everyone to use. That being said if it is not already being done whoever is over that land needs to balance it's use to try and accommodate everyone such as limit the use of dogs to maybe two alternating days each week during the season.


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Originally Posted By: bigt
Public land is just that PUBLIC. It is for everyone to use. That being said if it is not already being done whoever is over that land needs to balance it's use to try and accommodate everyone such as limit the use of dogs to maybe two alternating days each week during the season.


Not a bad idea, t.

BUT, as soon as you told the Still-Hunters that they could not hunt while the dog hunters were having their equal share.....the chit would hit the fan!!!!

Re: AL.com article on Alabama dog hunters and extended season [Re: Hogwild] #543331
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Originally Posted By: Hogwild
Originally Posted By: bigt
Public land is just that PUBLIC. It is for everyone to use. That being said if it is not already being done whoever is over that land needs to balance it's use to try and accommodate everyone such as limit the use of dogs to maybe two alternating days each week during the season.


Not a bad idea, t.

BUT, as soon as you told the Still-Hunters that they could not hunt while the dog hunters were having their equal share.....the chit would hit the fan!!!!


Well, the thing I have learned from running a hunting club is that is impossible to make everyone happy,but it is my responsibility to try and make it fair to everyone that hunts on my property as long as it is legal and does not negatively affect the hunting resources. That is what the state needs to do on all public land. People are always going to complain you just have to learn to sift through all the selfish bs to get to what really needs to be done.


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Originally Posted By: bigt
Originally Posted By: Hogwild
Originally Posted By: bigt
Public land is just that PUBLIC. It is for everyone to use. That being said if it is not already being done whoever is over that land needs to balance it's use to try and accommodate everyone such as limit the use of dogs to maybe two alternating days each week during the season.


Not a bad idea, t.

BUT, as soon as you told the Still-Hunters that they could not hunt while the dog hunters were having their equal share.....the chit would hit the fan!!!!


Well, the thing I have learned from running a hunting club is that is impossible to make everyone happy,but it is my responsibility to try and make it fair to everyone that hunts on my property as long as it is legal and does not negatively affect the hunting resources. That is what the state needs to do on all public land. People are always going to complain you just have to learn to sift through all the selfish bs to get to what really needs to be done.


I agree!

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Here is a link to Jeff's story from the meeting Monday night.
http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2013/02/alabama_conservation_commissio_2.html


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