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Brow tines? #625039
07/14/13 01:28 AM
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Where i hunt in Mississippi we've noticed a bunch of deer without brow tines. Some deer have em and several deer don't. I was told by someone that a deer that doesn't grow or barely grows any brow tines has bad genetics and needs to be taken out of the herd. I've done some research on my own and have been getting mixed opinions on this topic. Please chime in and tell me your thoughts on this. Just wondering if i need to start culling some bucks. I just hate to start killing every deer without them if maybe age has something to do with it. Just been on this land now for the second year and so far from my trail camera pictures from this year (I know it's early) it's the same bucks that didn't have them last year don't have them again.

Re: Brow tines? [Re: quailhnter] #625040
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Depends on if any of your deer have above average browtines.Where we hunt it seems you get tall,narrow and heavy or wide,skinny and short the latter having the short brow tines.I've got about 4 bucks that I get pictures of that have a normal left side and a nubbin on the right. The first year or so I was thinking same deer or broke off but it's different bucks.That is what I'm planning on culling on our place.


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Re: Brow tines? [Re: quailhnter] #625041
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You're not going to be able to control genetics. Just enjoy what you got.


83% of all statistics are made up.

Re: Brow tines? [Re: quailhnter] #625077
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On several occasions, I have heard wildlife biologists say that because both the sire and the dam contribute the genetics to their offspring, that it is not really possible to know what the potential antler configuration will look like until that deer reaches maturity. One biologist in Texas went so far as to say specifically, 5.5 years. Some bucks apparently can have measly, scrub antlers for a year or two and then flourish with a nice full rack.
If that is indeed the case, then it makes sense to me that deer which are 2.5 - 4.5 YO don't need to be removed from the herd, since you don't know what the future holds.

Re: Brow tines? [Re: quailhnter] #625081
07/14/13 03:48 AM
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the 170 inch buck I shot last year had VERY little in brow tines...but GREAT GENETICS. brow tines are not an indicator of genetics or potential at all.

Re: Brow tines? [Re: quailhnter] #625085
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By culling/removing bucks with a particular antler trait you don't like, you will not reduce the number of bucks that express that trait in future years. You are only removing those individual bucks.

If it is hereditary (and that's a huge "if"), the antler trait you don't like is far more likely to be coming from the local doe population, not the current buck population.

In short, culling is a huge waste of time in a free-ranging situation, and is often detrimental.

Re: Brow tines? [Re: N2TRKYS] #625126
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Originally Posted By: N2TRKYS
You're not going to be able to control genetics. Just enjoy what you got.


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Re: Brow tines? [Re: quailhnter] #625239
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On part of my land about 18 years ago I saw a few bucks with one normal side and a spike on the other. I started shooting every one I saw and in the past couple of years I havn't seen a single one or got any pictures of any. Maybe just a coincidence of nature, but it worked there thus far.

Re: Brow tines? [Re: timbercruiser] #625268
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Originally Posted By: timbercruiser
On part of my land about 18 years ago I saw a few bucks with one normal side and a spike on the other. I started shooting every one I saw and in the past couple of years I havn't seen a single one or got any pictures of any. Maybe just a coincidence of nature, but it worked there thus far.


Not at all a coincidence, but proof the problem was not hereditary. If it were hereditary, at least 50% of it would have been passed on by mother does and you would have never been able to shoot that out of the female population, hence you would see it forever. In fact, what you did, was kill all the bucks who had that antler configuration, so there are no more of them to see.

And by the way, the "spike-on-one-side" situation is almost always caused by an injury to the spike-side's pedicle. Great differences in shape/configuration between left and right antlers is almost never genetic. Deer do not have one set of DNA code for their left antler and a different set of code for their right antler. The just have code for "antlers" and the process of bilateral symmetry grows a mirror image nearly matched pair.

Re: Brow tines? [Re: N2TRKYS] #625391
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Originally Posted By: N2TRKYS
You're not going to be able to control genetics. Just enjoy what you got.



I agree

Re: Brow tines? [Re: BSK] #625429
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Originally Posted By: BSK
Originally Posted By: timbercruiser
On part of my land about 18 years ago I saw a few bucks with one normal side and a spike on the other. I started shooting every one I saw and in the past couple of years I havn't seen a single one or got any pictures of any. Maybe just a coincidence of nature, but it worked there thus far.


Not at all a coincidence, but proof the problem was not hereditary. If it were hereditary, at least 50% of it would have been passed on by mother does and you would have never been able to shoot that out of the female population, hence you would see it forever. In fact, what you did, was kill all the bucks who had that antler configuration, so there are no more of them to see.

And by the way, the "spike-on-one-side" situation is almost always caused by an injury to the spike-side's pedicle. Great differences in shape/configuration between left and right antlers is almost never genetic. Deer do not have one set of DNA code for their left antler and a different set of code for their right antler. The just have code for "antlers" and the process of bilateral symmetry grows a mirror image nearly matched pair.


BSK,
Last for the last three years, there have been three or four younger bucks with a spike on the deer's left side and a different yet abnormal configuration on the right. We have been able to identify that these deer are indeed different bucks, on camera.
Your comment on the pedicle injury makes me wonder if there is another buck which inflicts damage while fighting. Maybe one with a propensity to be a dominant right side fighter. I don't see how that many bucks would suffer an injury to the head on the same side in the same place by something falling on them, etc. what are the odds of that!?


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