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BlackBelt hunting going back to crop production. #827306 01/19/14 08:11 AM 01/19/14 08:11 AM
Joined: Nov 2013 Posts: 80 Alabama, Decatur thadstar OP spike
thadstar OP spike Joined: Nov 2013 Posts: 80 Alabama, Decatur	I have read a couple post about the glory days of hunting in the black belt when crops were high in production before everything went to pines. Im interested in hearing what caused the shift to pine plantations, when it takes 10 to 15 years to be able to harvest a pine tree for income and do you think it will ever shift back to crops.

Re: BlackBelt hunting going back to crop production. [Re: thadstar] #827318 01/19/14 08:27 AM 01/19/14 08:27 AM
Joined: Jul 2011 Posts: 37,750 Boxes Cove 2Dogs Freak of Nature
2Dogs Freak of Nature Joined: Jul 2011 Posts: 37,750 Boxes Cove	Jimmy Carter. Interest rates and fuel high, crop prices low. Peanut Man put many farmers out of business. "Why do you ask"? Always vote the slowest path to socialism.

Re: BlackBelt hunting going back to crop production. [Re: 2Dogs] #827327 01/19/14 08:37 AM 01/19/14 08:37 AM
Joined: Nov 2013 Posts: 80 Alabama, Decatur thadstar OP spike
thadstar OP spike Joined: Nov 2013 Posts: 80 Alabama, Decatur	What's different in the Midwest where crop production is high. I'm sure they face the challenges. I'm just curious, I my a Florida boyboy? I have heard it on a couple post " before everything went to pines" pines are good for long term investment but not a yearly income like crop production. Originally Posted By: 2Dogs Jimmy Carter. Interest rates and fuel high, crop prices low. Peanut Man put many farmers out of business.

Re: BlackBelt hunting going back to crop production. [Re: thadstar] #827330 01/19/14 08:42 AM 01/19/14 08:42 AM
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halleburton spike H Joined: Oct 2009 Posts: 19 FL	I've always thought it was soybean prices. When they were high in the 70s, there were over 2 million acres throughout the blackbelt planted in soybeans. I don't know when the prices started dropping, but there are now around 200,000 acres planted I believe.

Re: BlackBelt hunting going back to crop production. [Re: thadstar] #827340 01/19/14 08:56 AM 01/19/14 08:56 AM
Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 433 Russell Co Peanut Man 4 point
Peanut Man 4 point Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 433 Russell Co	Not as long as the CRP program is around. When you can get 35 to 55 per acre to plant and grow trees and the average age of a farmer in the state is 57 then it is a no brainer. The CRP is an awesome retirement program. Plus you can reenroll your application. Some plantations planted under CRP in the first round are already on there third term. My dad has worked it and it has set him up pretty well for his retirement, but it is the fleecing of America. Very few people would clear cut a 15 to 20 year old stand just to put it back into crops. A little bit of that went on in 2011 and 2012 over in Georgia when peanuts went to about $1000 a ton, but then the price few back down and it has stopped. Also it is just about impossible for a young person to get into farming these days without going into so much debt. just my 2 cents.

Re: BlackBelt hunting going back to crop production. [Re: halleburton] #827345 01/19/14 09:08 AM 01/19/14 09:08 AM
Joined: Jan 2011 Posts: 38,489 N. Bama 257wbymag Boo Boo Head
257wbymag Boo Boo Head Joined: Jan 2011 Posts: 38,489 N. Bama	Well there are many reasons the black belt left row crop for timber. Extremely high interest rates, cheap commodity prices, low crop yields = disaster to a farmer. Along came the govt with incentives to reforest land and it was just what many farmers had to do and landowners too. Then a lot of large tracts of land sell to doctors, developers lawyers and they buy what's left and plant it in trees for hunting habitat and future return on investment! So the Midwest meanwhile has different soil structure and climate not conducive to pine trees therefore they had no option and weathered the low crop prices as many suffered up there too. Today the cost of clearing pine plantation and cost of Refertilization to bring to crop production standards today just aren't cost efficient even with better prices on a large scale. I could go on forever about this I watched it happen with my own eyes as many on here did. Quietly killing turkeys where youre not!!! My tank full of give a fraks been runnin on empty I'm the paterfamilias

Re: BlackBelt hunting going back to crop production. [Re: 257wbymag] #827347 01/19/14 09:10 AM 01/19/14 09:10 AM
Joined: Jan 2011 Posts: 1,074 Glendale, FL W WhiteCityHunter 6 point
WhiteCityHunter 6 point W Joined: Jan 2011 Posts: 1,074 Glendale, FL	Didn't know all that about soybeans and peanuts. Guess we were not affected here in north Florida. We have lots of acreage in soybeans and peanuts.

Re: BlackBelt hunting going back to crop production. [Re: thadstar] #827354 01/19/14 09:18 AM 01/19/14 09:18 AM
Joined: Dec 2012 Posts: 3,730 Coosa County T Turkey 10 point
Turkey 10 point T Joined: Dec 2012 Posts: 3,730 Coosa County	Google Jimmy Carter and the Soviet Grain Embargo of 1980. It's ironic that the most well known southern farmer president was one of the most damaging to southern farmers. It damaged domestic farmers more than the Soviets. Other folks were more than ready to supply them.

Re: BlackBelt hunting going back to crop production. [Re: 257wbymag] #827361 01/19/14 09:26 AM 01/19/14 09:26 AM
Joined: Nov 2011 Posts: 22,095 USA R Remington270 Freak of Nature
Remington270 Freak of Nature R Joined: Nov 2011 Posts: 22,095 USA	Originally Posted By: 257wbymag Well there are many reasons the black belt left row crop for timber. Extremely high interest rates, cheap commodity prices, low crop yields = disaster to a farmer. Along came the govt with incentives to reforest land and it was just what many farmers had to do and landowners too. Then a lot of large tracts of land sell to doctors, developers lawyers and they buy what's left and plant it in trees for hunting habitat and future return on investment! So the Midwest meanwhile has different soil structure and climate not conducive to pine trees therefore they had no option and weathered the low crop prices as many suffered up there too. Today the cost of clearing pine plantation and cost of Refertilization to bring to crop production standards today just aren't cost efficient even with better prices on a large scale. I could go on forever about this I watched it happen with my own eyes as many on here did. I couldn't agree more. CRP is BS but we'll take it while it's here.

Re: BlackBelt hunting going back to crop production. [Re: thadstar] #827437 01/19/14 10:37 AM 01/19/14 10:37 AM
Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 52,130 Round ‘bout there C Clem Mildly Quirky
Clem Mildly Quirky C Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 52,130 Round ‘bout there	Alabama Agriculture Commissioner John McMillan posted this on FB the other day: Alabama Crop Report for 2013 Corn production up 51% (43.6 million bushels) vs. 2012 Peanuts down 44% (489,900 pounds) Cotton down 26% (555,000 bales) Soybeans up 21% (18,275 bushels) Hay down 5% (2,133 tons) Sweet potatoes down 31% (415 cwt) Winter wheat seedings down 17% from year ago. "Hunting Politics are stupid!" - Farm Hunter "Bible says you shouldn't put sugar in your cornbread." Dustin, 2013 "Best I can figure 97.365% of the general public is a paint chip eating, mouth breathing, certified dumbass." BCLC, 2020

Re: BlackBelt hunting going back to crop production. [Re: thadstar] #827443 01/19/14 10:41 AM 01/19/14 10:41 AM
Joined: Jan 2011 Posts: 38,489 N. Bama 257wbymag Boo Boo Head
257wbymag Boo Boo Head Joined: Jan 2011 Posts: 38,489 N. Bama	His soybean number is just a tad low! Quietly killing turkeys where youre not!!! My tank full of give a fraks been runnin on empty I'm the paterfamilias

Re: BlackBelt hunting going back to crop production. [Re: thadstar] #827460 01/19/14 11:04 AM 01/19/14 11:04 AM
Joined: Nov 2012 Posts: 2,609 North Alabama BamaPlowboy 10 point
BamaPlowboy 10 point Joined: Nov 2012 Posts: 2,609 North Alabama	^^ 18,275 Bu?? Thats about 400ac worth!

Re: BlackBelt hunting going back to crop production. [Re: thadstar] #827465 01/19/14 11:15 AM 01/19/14 11:15 AM
Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 52,130 Round ‘bout there C Clem Mildly Quirky
Clem Mildly Quirky C Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 52,130 Round ‘bout there	I noticed that. I wonder if that's for only a small time period or certain area. "Hunting Politics are stupid!" - Farm Hunter "Bible says you shouldn't put sugar in your cornbread." Dustin, 2013 "Best I can figure 97.365% of the general public is a paint chip eating, mouth breathing, certified dumbass." BCLC, 2020

Re: BlackBelt hunting going back to crop production. [Re: thadstar] #827467 01/19/14 11:16 AM 01/19/14 11:16 AM
Joined: Nov 2011 Posts: 22,095 USA R Remington270 Freak of Nature
Remington270 Freak of Nature R Joined: Nov 2011 Posts: 22,095 USA	Hay production 2000 tons? For the whole state? It's gotta be waaay more. A single large bale is a few hundred pounds and we can get probably 10 tons off our place. I think there's more than 200 farms in the state that cut hay.

Re: BlackBelt hunting going back to crop production. [Re: thadstar] #827491 01/19/14 11:34 AM 01/19/14 11:34 AM
Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 11,356 Prattville AL E ElkHunter Booner
ElkHunter Booner E Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 11,356 Prattville AL	I am guessing those are in millions or at least thousands. Alabama Hog Control, Inc. www.alabamahogcontrol.com Barry Estes The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing. Edmund Burke

Re: BlackBelt hunting going back to crop production. [Re: ElkHunter] #827496 01/19/14 11:39 AM 01/19/14 11:39 AM
Joined: Jan 2011 Posts: 38,489 N. Bama 257wbymag Boo Boo Head
257wbymag Boo Boo Head Joined: Jan 2011 Posts: 38,489 N. Bama	Honestly I don't see the man got elected Ag Commish anyway he's pretty much been a dud. Quietly killing turkeys where youre not!!! My tank full of give a fraks been runnin on empty I'm the paterfamilias

Re: BlackBelt hunting going back to crop production. [Re: 257wbymag] #827537 01/19/14 12:23 PM 01/19/14 12:23 PM
Joined: Nov 2012 Posts: 2,609 North Alabama BamaPlowboy 10 point
BamaPlowboy 10 point Joined: Nov 2012 Posts: 2,609 North Alabama	Originally Posted By: 257wbymag Honestly I don't see the man got elected Ag Commish anyway he's pretty much been a dud. Me either, I'm thinking the poultry farmers had a lot to do with it b/c the other serious candidate had something to do with pilgrims pride dumping contracts?? And then there was that idiot running with the ad of him riding on the horse who was gonna shoot all the illegal aliens, in hindsight probably should have voted for him!!

Re: BlackBelt hunting going back to crop production. [Re: thadstar] #827553 01/19/14 12:31 PM 01/19/14 12:31 PM
Joined: Jan 2011 Posts: 38,489 N. Bama 257wbymag Boo Boo Head
257wbymag Boo Boo Head Joined: Jan 2011 Posts: 38,489 N. Bama	My opinion of the one we got is he is the pine tree and CRP mans candidate not who I supported but oh well. Quietly killing turkeys where youre not!!! My tank full of give a fraks been runnin on empty I'm the paterfamilias

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