Originally Posted By: h2obuck
Originally Posted By: Bamarich2

However, my salvation also comes from my obedience to His word.


If salvation ALSO comes from obedience then it is not by grace. The good news of the gospel is that Jesus has kept the law for us so our right standing before God is dependent on what Jesus has done instead of what I do. The gospel is the opposite of your statement....instead the gospel says that my obedience comes from my salvation. As I receive God's grace and trust completely in what Jesus has done for me then I am able to extend His grace, forgiveness, compassion, etc. to others.

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This is the major issue with people understanding "grace" in today's world. According to Genesis 6:8, Noah obtained "grace" in the eyes of God. Did that then mean he was saved without obedience? Could Noah have been saved without God acting first? No... God gave him a plan to follow... and he followed it. Did the fact Noah obeyed nullify his being saved by grace? Absolutely not!

In instituting the law of Moses, God provided information to the COI which would preserve their life - things relate to hygiene, diet, etc. God was of indebted to do so, thus that law came into being because God chose them - by His grace. Yet, the law did the COI no good unless they obeyed it.

Ephesians 2:8 claims that in the New Testament, people are saved by God's grace through faith. A faith pleasing to God, biblically speaking, is a trust in God which compels a person to comply with His requests - that's the illustration repeatedly emphasized in Hebrews 11.

For those of you who claim "obedience cancels out grace", then what you are really claiming is that everyone will be saved. Why? Because even belief in Christ is something a person does - in response to a passage like John 3:16. You cannot harmonize passages such as 1 Peter 1:22 or Ephesians 2:8 with the "grace only" idea.