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Re: Change is Coming!
[Re: DeerTracker]
#102639
03/05/11 11:01 PM
03/05/11 11:01 PM
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Joined: Oct 2008
Posts: 30,910 Clanton, AL
Out back
Grumpy Old Man
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Grumpy Old Man
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Clanton, AL
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What is the dividing line for north and south zones? I think it's gonna have to be Tennessee, to make everybody happy.
My opinions and comments are my own. They do not reflect the position or political opinions of Aldeer or any of the Aldeer administration.
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Re: Change is Coming!
[Re: Out back]
#102645
03/05/11 11:38 PM
03/05/11 11:38 PM
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Joined: Apr 2000
Posts: 17,584 Elmore County
Frankie
Old Mossy Horns
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Old Mossy Horns
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What is the dividing line for north and south zones? I think it's gonna have to be Tennessee, to make everybody happy. you ASSume they can be made happy . lol
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Re: Change is Coming!
[Re: WmHunter]
#102674
03/06/11 06:39 AM
03/06/11 06:39 AM
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Joined: Jul 2005
Posts: 10,078 Hampton Cove
foldemup
Booner
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Booner
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Hampton Cove
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Put it on a ballot and let the hunters that purchase license decide...I vote statewide October 1-February 15, 3 bucks with a tagging system that can be either called in or done online. If you don't want to hunt any of the extra days, no one is gonna force you.
If you want to always win, never play anyone better than you!
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Re: Change is Coming!
[Re: WmHunter]
#102696
03/06/11 08:08 AM
03/06/11 08:08 AM
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Joined: Oct 2010
Posts: 2,885 St. Clair County
Big Jack
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St. Clair County
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WHY!!! I thought all this Limits and Restrictions were gonna "balance" the herd in such a way that the rut would be earlier and more intense??? Who wants to wait until February and shoot a run down, poor, bruised up buck, with all his tines broken off, that has just survived an intense rut?? As for a split season, been there and done that, I would vote no. Whats the point of a split season. But actually, just for me, I would just as soon it open when it gets cold enough to run in the mosquitos until they come back out again in the spring. Say from Nov. 1 until April 15th.
"Its a damn weak minded person who can only think of one way to spell a work." Andrew Jackson
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Re: Change is Coming!
[Re: WmHunter]
#102726
03/06/11 09:17 AM
03/06/11 09:17 AM
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Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 52,097 Round ‘bout there
Clem
Mildly Quirky
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Fold'em, if it is put on a ballot ... non-hunters would have a say-so.
You really want someone who likes looking at that deer behind the pond but secretly hates seeing you go hunting, even though they're polite enough to not say anything, deciding anything about our hunting seasons?
If 82 percent of the voters approved Forever Wild 20 years ago, I wouldn't want to see the response for pushing hunting seasons longer or shifting them. It might be quite surprising to the hunting community.
As well, the retinue of goobers on THIS site alone is so fractured about "extending" or "shifting" or "drawing a line" about seasons ... going on about hunting "my" rut ad nauseum ... 49er squawking about the Legislature (funny how he's not here, but was during the season and now that the Legislature's in session he's ... gone. He must be busy.) ... the "evil" Conservation Advisory Board ain't worth a flip ... legalize baiting (with a stamp tax, no less) or you ain't a man and are only lazy if you're baiting ...
It goes on and on. This damn place is a like a Baptist sewing circle with one woman who got divorced, started going to Tunica and is banging the handsome 28-year old at the pharmacy but is the Kindergarten teacher everyone things is fantastic.
"OH MY GOSH! Did you hear! She's so ... so ... she's runnin' around! What do we do! You shouldn't do anything, she has a life! But she's around kids and is (whispering) sleeping with Billy! She's a good teacher and hasn't been any problem before. Why SHE went to TOONIKA! Arrggggh!!!"
If this site isn't together - and it's not - and the DCNR isn't together - and it's not - and the Advisory Board and Legislature aren't all together and everyone's trying to put a spoon in the pot ... we darn sure don't need the General Public voting on something like this.
"Hunting Politics are stupid!" - Farm Hunter
"Bible says you shouldn't put sugar in your cornbread." Dustin, 2013
"Best I can figure 97.365% of the general public is a paint chip eating, mouth breathing, certified dumbass." BCLC, 2020
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Re: Change is Coming!
[Re: WmHunter]
#102732
03/06/11 09:40 AM
03/06/11 09:40 AM
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Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 21,013 colbert county
cartervj
Freak of Nature
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Freak of Nature
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colbert county
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It appears the legislature will be overtaking the biologist role of decision making for hunting seasons.
like I stated earlier be careful what you wish you just might get it
“Socialism only works in two places: Heaven where they don't need it and hell where they already have it.” ― Ronald Reagan
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Re: Change is Coming!
[Re: WmHunter]
#102746
03/06/11 10:15 AM
03/06/11 10:15 AM
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Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 52,097 Round ‘bout there
Clem
Mildly Quirky
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It ain't about science or biology.
All of the incredibly important things our Legislature needs to be thinking about and they're diddling around with feeder permits and deer seasons.
Maybe one of them will have the guts and balls to publicly state that they have other things to take care of and the DCNR needs to handle these matters.
"Hunting Politics are stupid!" - Farm Hunter
"Bible says you shouldn't put sugar in your cornbread." Dustin, 2013
"Best I can figure 97.365% of the general public is a paint chip eating, mouth breathing, certified dumbass." BCLC, 2020
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Re: Change is Coming!
[Re: Clem]
#102780
03/06/11 11:17 AM
03/06/11 11:17 AM
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Posts: 8,363 Montgomery
WmHunter
OP
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Montgomery
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Well I see I successfully stirred things up around here. ************* It amazes me how many people in the northern half of Alabama get so much heartburn over something as simple as allowing their fellow citizens in the southern half of the State to have the same thing they already have. It is totally irrational. Heartburn. Self righteous indignation. Slippery slopes. Ad hominem abusives. Sky will fall. Protect the status quo. We don't know how to draw a straight line. Even plants and fellow travelors posting for their buddies at the CAB and DCNR who just don't want change. It is just plain ridiculous. ************** Change is coming. It may not happen this year, but it will happen - and a lot sooner than later.
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Re: Change is Coming!
[Re: WmHunter]
#102784
03/06/11 11:23 AM
03/06/11 11:23 AM
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Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 21,013 colbert county
cartervj
Freak of Nature
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Freak of Nature
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colbert county
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I'm not against an extended season, I'm more for a split season if biology supports it. Numerous past Spring Fetal Surveys will suffice in a biological consensus.
It also appears there will be another spring survey State wide to gather more info.
The legislature has no clue except political pressures from constituents, more money equals more political pressure, AND the more I listen to others in other States it seems no one is HAPPY with their hunting situation.
so
“Socialism only works in two places: Heaven where they don't need it and hell where they already have it.” ― Ronald Reagan
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Re: Change is Coming!
[Re: Out back]
#102795
03/06/11 11:56 AM
03/06/11 11:56 AM
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Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 14,055 Hoover
burbank
Booner
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Booner
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Hoover
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I've heard the bill has a decent chance of passing with an addendum, anyone not living in the south zone will be required to purchase a non resident license to hunt in the south zone. All joking aside...I think it has a good chance to pass. Who is joking? Have you not heard about the state's revenue shortfall? You can bet the farm, it will generate revenue, or it won't pass. Cause your post is a joke. The bill does not include language that would require a "north Al" resident buy a non resident licenses from what I understand. Correct me if I am wrong...
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Re: Change is Coming!
[Re: Clem]
#102798
03/06/11 12:01 PM
03/06/11 12:01 PM
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Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 14,055 Hoover
burbank
Booner
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Booner
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Hoover
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It ain't about science or biology.
All of the incredibly important things our Legislature needs to be thinking about and they're diddling around with feeder permits and deer seasons.
Maybe one of them will have the guts and balls to publicly state that they have other things to take care of and the DCNR needs to handle these matters.
Now this is very true. It is a shame that the DNCR hasn't stepped up on these issues. A fetal survey should have been ordered years ago...
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Re: Change is Coming!
[Re: WmHunter]
#102801
03/06/11 12:15 PM
03/06/11 12:15 PM
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Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 21,013 colbert county
cartervj
Freak of Nature
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Freak of Nature
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colbert county
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Now this is very true. It is a shame that the DNCR hasn't stepped up on these issues. A fetal survey should have been ordered years ago... they've been doing spring fetal surveys for numerous years, can't remember the exact rotation but it is how they came up with the average deer breeding date for Al, January 22 or so. From what I'm aware of it has not changed since the inception of the spring fetal survey pretty sure one will be underway State wide this Spring
Last edited by cartervj; 03/06/11 12:16 PM.
“Socialism only works in two places: Heaven where they don't need it and hell where they already have it.” ― Ronald Reagan
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Re: Change is Coming!
[Re: burbank]
#102817
03/06/11 12:52 PM
03/06/11 12:52 PM
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Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 21,013 colbert county
cartervj
Freak of Nature
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Freak of Nature
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colbert county
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If the average for the state is the 22nd, then the S. AL needs a split season IMO. I'm not against that at all, a split to me would be nice and probably meaningful to you guys down south the biologist just need to look at specific areas from data they already have and make a decision keep the dang politicians at bay, please it's political enough as is
Last edited by cartervj; 03/06/11 12:54 PM.
“Socialism only works in two places: Heaven where they don't need it and hell where they already have it.” ― Ronald Reagan
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Re: Change is Coming!
[Re: WmHunter]
#102830
03/06/11 01:25 PM
03/06/11 01:25 PM
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Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 52,097 Round ‘bout there
Clem
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Fetal surveys have been ongoing for years.
Just because the DCNR doesn't publicize every single thing they do doesn't mean they're not doing things.
"Hunting Politics are stupid!" - Farm Hunter
"Bible says you shouldn't put sugar in your cornbread." Dustin, 2013
"Best I can figure 97.365% of the general public is a paint chip eating, mouth breathing, certified dumbass." BCLC, 2020
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Re: Change is Coming!
[Re: burbank]
#102877
03/06/11 03:30 PM
03/06/11 03:30 PM
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Posts: 3,494 Jefferson
Fun4all
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It ain't about science or biology.
All of the incredibly important things our Legislature needs to be thinking about and they're diddling around with feeder permits and deer seasons.
Maybe one of them will have the guts and balls to publicly state that they have other things to take care of and the DCNR needs to handle these matters.
Now this is very true. It is a shame that the DNCR hasn't stepped up on these issues. A fetal survey should have been ordered years ago... Read this, http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2011/03/alabama_deer_study_leader_skep.htmlFetal surveys have been going on for a number of years, but obviuosly what people see or don't see in the woods should trump the biology. Also, as I recall there was a post on aldeer.com that showed average conception dates from fetal surveys done in NW Florida that did not support February conception dates, so apparently there is some isolated tiny sliver of south Alabama that has a totally separate species of whitetail deer that the biologist can't seem to locate, but warrants an extended season in February for rutting activity that can't be identified.
"After all, it is not the killing that brings satisfaction; it is the contest of skill and cunning. The true hunter counts his achievement in proportion to the effort involved and the fairness of the sport." Dr. Saxton Pope
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