Originally Posted By: Todd1700
Originally Posted By: Skullworks
^^^Whut?????


LOL! I'll tell you what he is essentially asking and it's a question I've asked the "it's a choice" people before.

If your sexuality is a choice then all you guys must go out every day and look at men and women's asses and think, "Mmmm mmm, I'd sure like to have me some of either one of those." "But I'll suppress the urge to mount that man butt cause God wants me to stick with p####."

Is that how your day goes? Cause mine is nothing like that. I am not attracted to men. I could not feel romantic love for another man. Therefore my sexuality is not a conscious choice for me. And it never has been. Since I've been old enough to have a sexual thought or urge I have only been attracted to women. So if it hasn't been a choice for me, how can I point my finger at others and say, "oh but for you it was a choice." Seems an unfair double standard to me.

A lot of people in this country claim they believe in freedom but really they do not. What they really believe is that people should be free to do things they agree with but restricted from doing anything they don't like. Even when the thing they don't like will have no tangible effect on their lives.

As a heterosexual male I find the thought of two men having sex disgusting. But despite that what two consenting adults do sexually isn't any of my business. And whether they get married or not has absolutely no effect on my marriage or my life. So as a true believer in freedom why should I be opposed to it?


Todd...excellent analysis in most everything you wrote. I get why you believe what you do. It makes sense to me. Yeah, I know...weird me agreeing with you in some way. grin

However, there are two points I'd like to make about what you said:

1. There is no reason why you would be in opposition to gay marriage. The reason why, in my opinion, is that you've told us before on this forum that God-based absolute truth or moral standards are fiction. So it makes perfect sense for you to have no objections, not because you love freedom but because you don't believe in God and His standard. Now I know you do love freedom, as do I. But your idea of freedom is in human terms only, and does not take into account what God designed as True Freedom in Christ.

2. Choices. From my perspective, the reason you do not have to make a conscious choice to be attracted to women each day is pretty simple. God wrote on the hearts of all human creation what is right and wrong. That truth is part of you whether you deny God or love God. But we live in a fallen world where sin abounds...and some people have chosen homosexuality as a result of sexual immorality or either have felt desires/attractions from their earliest memories because this is their personal affliction or their resulting problem of being alive in a sinful, fallen, cursed world---they feel it is natural and were born that way so it must be perfectly fine. But ultimately, it is their sin nature coming out in them just as it comes out in all of us. Their issues just happen to be homosexual in type. Where mine or yours, or someone else may be completely different in scope and nature. I'm not opposed to the notion that they were born with this sin nature. Maybe we all are born with certain struggles. Perhaps your battle/struggle/sin nature is unbelief? Perhaps mine is addiction and lust? Perhaps John Doe struggles with greed and power?

I respect your freedom to write you opinions and thoughts. My reply is simply my view and opinion on the subjects being discussed in this thread.

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