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Re: Alabama 8 Point Or Better Rule [Re: mirage243] #1135910
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NO.


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Re: Alabama 8 Point Or Better Rule [Re: mirage243] #1135913
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Negative. Like has already been stated, most folks who are in favor of doing such a thing are already doing it well and upset every time they hear a gun shot because it may be one of "their" deer. Statewide regulation on the legal size of a bucks antlers is a terrible management decision.

Re: Alabama 8 Point Or Better Rule [Re: mirage243] #1135916
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They can make regulations about what size and quantity fish to keep in public lakes and rivers, why can't they do it on public land if it makes the herd better? Just my 2 cents! All y'all whining about "Don't take my freedom!!!!" should look at it objectively and if it makes deer hunting better in this state, then maybe it should be given some thought. MS has a pretty good thing going and they have a lot bigger deer than us and they're our neighbors


Re: Alabama 8 Point Or Better Rule [Re: mirage243] #1135919
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Things I have learned so far on this thread

1-Some people will say NO without giving your their logic or reasoning behind it

2-If you would like to see the deer herd improved then you are selfish and want everything your way.

3-Some guys just wanna kill little bucks

I'm sure I will learn many other things soon. grin

Re: Alabama 8 Point Or Better Rule [Re: mirage243] #1135920
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Phil, MS produces better deer than AL on average only because of a few regions of higher soil fertility. That is the ONLY reason.

Re: Alabama 8 Point Or Better Rule [Re: mirage243] #1135921
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MS also has a mainbeam and spread restriction, not points.

Re: Alabama 8 Point Or Better Rule [Re: ElkHunter] #1135922
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Originally Posted by ElkHunter
No, it is not even a good management rule for a single property much less the entire state. If you want to grow big bucks, let them age.


This^^^^

Point restrictions alone are not worth a dang when managing for deer!!

Re: Alabama 8 Point Or Better Rule [Re: mirage243] #1135924
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Originally Posted by mirage243
Things I have learned so far on this thread

1-Some people will say NO without giving your their logic or reasoning behind it

2-If you would like to see the deer herd improved then you are selfish and want everything your way.

3-Some guys just wanna kill little bucks

I'm sure I will learn many other things soon. grin


Would you mind explaining your logic on how killing 8 pts or better will improve the deer herd in the state of Alabama?

Re: Alabama 8 Point Or Better Rule [Re: mirage243] #1135925
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Also, the never ending piling on of rules just makes hunting less fun and more complicated.


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Re: Alabama 8 Point Or Better Rule [Re: mirage243] #1135927
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Originally Posted by mirage243
Originally Posted by blumsden
Not no, but hell no. Antler restrictions are a piss poor way of managing a herd. How about leasing you about 5000 contiguous acres, and manage it however you want, but leave the rest of us to our own philosophy's. The pictures above are of mature bucks, that would be illegal to shoot, under your guidlines, but all your 2.5 y/o 8ptrs that are highly visible, would be fair game. You been watching too much of the outdoor channel.


I just asked a question jack ass, and I do have two VERY large tracts of land leased that I manage, and a room full of monster bucks, and I don't watch the Outdoor channel. There are gonna be exceptions to every rule, but I'd be willing to bet that for every mature six pointer that doesn't get shot, there are a thousand 1-1/2 year old spikes and four pointers shot yearly.


I'm going to kill a couple of 80lb spikes this year just for you

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Re: Alabama 8 Point Or Better Rule [Re: mirage243] #1135932
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And ask any MS biologist why they did away with the point restrictions. It led to a reduction in overall B&C scores due to high grading. Shooting only 8 points or better is a worse management tool than shooting all age classes and sizes.

Re: Alabama 8 Point Or Better Rule [Re: mirage243] #1135934
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I also fail to see what needs to improve about AL's deer herd. The three buck restriction has led to far more bucks in the overall population, and I'd go so far as to say an increase in age structure too. It worked pretty dang good.

Re: Alabama 8 Point Or Better Rule [Re: ] #1135935
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Originally Posted by Matt Brock
And ask any MS biologist why they did away with the point restrictions. It led to a reduction in overall B&C scores due to high grading. Shooting only 8 points or better is a worse management tool than shooting all age classes and sizes.


You need to take that nonsense somewhere else. whistle

Re: Alabama 8 Point Or Better Rule [Re: HOWTON21] #1135936
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Originally Posted by HOWTON21
Originally Posted by mirage243
Things I have learned so far on this thread

1-Some people will say NO without giving your their logic or reasoning behind it

2-If you would like to see the deer herd improved then you are selfish and want everything your way.

3-Some guys just wanna kill little bucks

I'm sure I will learn many other things soon. grin


Would you mind explaining your logic on how killing 8 pts or better will improve the deer herd in the state of Alabama?


Would you mind explaining how killing 1-1/2 and 2-1/2 old spikes and 4 points help the deer herd?

Re: Alabama 8 Point Or Better Rule [Re: ] #1135937
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Originally Posted by Phil_Army
They can make regulations about what size and quantity fish to keep in public lakes and rivers, why can't they do it on public land if it makes the herd better?...


We have regulations on deer already, just like fish (no spotted fawns, limits on bucks) to manage the herd. An 8 point or better rule by the state would be like saying bass now have to be 24" long, regardless of weight. So, toss that 20" pig largemouth back...

So, "NO" with as much enthusiasm as I can say via typing.


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Re: Alabama 8 Point Or Better Rule [Re: mirage243] #1135939
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Ok Mirage243, here is my reasoning. I hunt for food. we harvested off of our land 5 deer last year, one 9 point, 1 3 point and 3 does. That much meat lasted until this month. Only because I was able to supplement with some wild hogs that another member of this forum provided to me. I don't hunt racks and don't care about them. Sure if I see a big rack I'll shoot it, generally because it is a bigger deer. More meat.

As far as 8 points and larger only, that would be a really ignorant way to manage a deer herd as you would then have too many small bucks breeding and would slowly run out of deer to hunt. Additionally as the herd grows larger from lack of harvesting you would have increased disease, reduced body size and poorer racks because of the limited food available for the deer.

Since very few folks take the time or money to fertilize and lime the WMA's there would be an even worse affect for the public hunting areas.

Finally, if you had take the time to ask a knowledgeable wildlife biologist that same question he/she would have have explained the same things to you that I just did.

So judging from the really childish comments you put in just above you really have no clue why so many folks don't think your question or comments were needed. Seems to me you are just trying to stir.

Re: Alabama 8 Point Or Better Rule [Re: mirage243] #1135942
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I never said that "8 point or better" was the way to go. I'm all for improving the quality and size of deer in Alabama, and I understand that an 8 point or better rule isn't the best way to achieve that. I just want my home state to have awesome deer hunting, not sure why there's such an uproar over that

Re: Alabama 8 Point Or Better Rule [Re: Hunthard] #1135945
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You know we have these things called grocery stores where you can buy meat any day of the week? All these "meat hunters" are full of crap. We hunt because it's fun!! Meat is a great benefit to hunting, but we all do it because it's fun. If meat was your only concern, you dang sure wouldn't get into hunting because the $/pound is way more expensive than buying meat from the store


Originally Posted by Hunthard
Ok Mirage243, here is my reasoning. I hunt for food. we harvested off of our land 5 deer last year, one 9 point, 1 3 point and 3 does. That much meat lasted until this month. Only because I was able to supplement with some wild hogs that another member of this forum provided to me. I don't hunt racks and don't care about them. Sure if I see a big rack I'll shoot it, generally because it is a bigger deer. More meat.

As far as 8 points and larger only, that would be a really ignorant way to manage a deer herd as you would then have too many small bucks breeding and would slowly run out of deer to hunt. Additionally as the herd grows larger from lack of harvesting you would have increased disease, reduced body size and poorer racks because of the limited food available for the deer.

Since very few folks take the time or money to fertilize and lime the WMA's there would be an even worse affect for the public hunting areas.

Finally, if you had take the time to ask a knowledgeable wildlife biologist that same question he/she would have have explained the same things to you that I just did.

So judging from the really childish comments you put in just above you really have no clue why so many folks don't think your question or comments were needed. Seems to me you are just trying to stir.

Re: Alabama 8 Point Or Better Rule [Re: mirage243] #1135951
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The meat is a byproduct of the fun of hunting. I bet there is a very very miniscule % of the deer hunters in Alabama who truly hunt just for the meat and nothing else.



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Re: Alabama 8 Point Or Better Rule [Re: Hunthard] #1135952
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Originally Posted by Hunthard
Ok Mirage243, here is my reasoning. I hunt for food. we harvested off of our land 5 deer last year, one 9 point, 1 3 point and 3 does. That much meat lasted until this month. Only because I was able to supplement with some wild hogs that another member of this forum provided to me. I don't hunt racks and don't care about them. Sure if I see a big rack I'll shoot it, generally because it is a bigger deer. More meat.

As far as 8 points and larger only, that would be a really ignorant way to manage a deer herd as you would then have too many small bucks breeding and would slowly run out of deer to hunt. Additionally as the herd grows larger from lack of harvesting you would have increased disease, reduced body size and poorer racks because of the limited food available for the deer.

Since very few folks take the time or money to fertilize and lime the WMA's there would be an even worse affect for the public hunting areas.

Finally, if you had take the time to ask a knowledgeable wildlife biologist that same question he/she would have have explained the same things to you that I just did.

So judging from the really childish comments you put in just above you really have no clue why so many folks don't think your question or comments were needed. Seems to me you are just trying to stir.


You try telling that to the other clubs around my lease in Meriwether County Ga, I'm sure they would beg to differ with you, not only them but countless other places throughout the country. I'm not trying to stir the pot, just looking for discussion on what I think is an important topic.

Phil Army, your exactly right, I'd hate to know what deer cost per pound on average. grin If you wanna just get deer meat, shoot does, they're everywhere and pretty easy to find.

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