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Re: Alabama 8 Point Or Better Rule [Re: ] #1137024
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Originally Posted by Matt Brock
Have you seen the bucks that are killed on AL public land? I worked on public lands in MS for 4 years and AL kills as many, if not more huge bucks than MS on the state WMAs. Even the deer that are killed on the Wildlife Refuge system in the MS alluvial soils are no better than what's brought off north AL public lands.




What are the antler restrictions on these MS WMAs? The place I'm referring to is around Dorman Lake. It had a 15" main beam rule. How many AL WMAs have antler restrictions like Barbour?


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Re: Alabama 8 Point Or Better Rule [Re: ] #1137100
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Originally Posted by Matt Brock
And there are plenty if mature deer in the population now. Plenty. If you can't kill one or think it needs to be even better then you're living in a fantasy. You've already stated you have control of lots of land and manage it well. That's a great thing. But you're already getting what you want out of your deer herd through what the state allows you to do. Forcing your management objectives on everybody else because you don't like to see immature deer killed is selfish.


Nothing else can be added! Two thumbs up from me!


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Re: Alabama 8 Point Or Better Rule [Re: mirage243] #1137128
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Choccolocco just started a 3 on one side for all bucks. Guess we'll see how it goes.

Re: Alabama 8 Point Or Better Rule [Re: Goldhill1] #1137137
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Originally Posted by Goldhill1
Relax, everyone... It's someone posting an idea on the internet.


Never, ever, ever, tell us to relax, we get pissed over the thought of having to carry a pencil in our hunting packs.



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Re: Alabama 8 Point Or Better Rule [Re: mirage243] #1137153
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The last thing I want is the dang government enforcing another law on me when I'm hunting. It's hard enough to keep up with all the requirements half the time now. The other side of it is that selfishness is ruining hunting. We are our own worst enemy. No one owns a stupid deer. It's a wild goat that roams around eating briars. Some of them get bigger in other areas. Some folks like to manage them, some like to eat them, some just like to shoot them. At the end of the day, 8 point or better laws enforced by the government only serve to minimize participation of the young hunters who aren't gonna hunt because trophy hunting ain't fun and the guy who likes to go out and kill one every now and then ain't gonna pay leases nor plant plots to only go a couple times and see 25 deer on the plot and not shoot one. There's plenty of deer and plenty of places to practice your goat management, just don't suggest forcing on the rest of us, nor try to justify how much "better" your way would be.

Re: Alabama 8 Point Or Better Rule [Re: mirage243] #1137155
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Why make a law you can not enforce? Come on get real. Let it be up to the club or hunter.


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Re: Alabama 8 Point Or Better Rule [Re: ] #1137163
11/05/14 02:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Matt Brock

Originally Posted by mirage243
Originally Posted by wagnon89
Mirage, I'm not sure if you are completely serious about your idea or not but if you are I believe it is people like you that will ruin deer hunting for the majority before its all over. Does it really aggravate you that much that I might shoot a nice mature 7 point on my own property that happens to be miles and miles away from yours.

Your idea sounds equally as ridiculous to me as someone saying "What do yall think about Alabama imposing a spike only rule statewide?" Because, as we all know, once a spike always a spike. (Sarcasm off for those who couldn't catch it)



Oh I'm dead serious about it, I'm not saying 8 point rule is the answer, but I would like to see something done. No, I don't give a sheet if you kill a mature 7 on your place, what does aggravate me is folks that have been hunting for a while that strictly implement the "brown and down" rule, there are thousands and thousands of those out there whather you know it or not. Let me guarantee you that it will not ruin deer hunting with some type of antler restrictions, it has been very succesful in other states.


Please name the states that ARs have been successful in. I've hunted a few states other than AL and I don't recall ever having to check any criteria on a rack before it was legal to shoot, except in MS. I worked in MS at the time as an official scorer, and the places their really big deer are coming from each year has nothing to do with any regulation the state has placed on them. It's from private management practices on the most fertile soil in the USA. There is nothing wrong with ALs current system of allowing two bucks of choice and one with 4 points on one side. There is already an AR in place for the third deer. That's enough.


Now Matt you know soil fertility has very little to do with antler development. rofl


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Re: Alabama 8 Point Or Better Rule [Re: timbercruiser] #1137180
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Originally Posted by timbercruiser
I'm on a management system on my land, if I manage to get my scope on him I'm going to shoot him if I want to.


laugh I like your style.. laugh


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Re: Alabama 8 Point Or Better Rule [Re: mirage243] #1137637
11/05/14 07:08 PM
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mirage, everyone, as you can see, has different ideas of deer hunting and what makes them happy. i'm gonna change it up a little but take this for instance. i was crappie fishing the other day and there is this peckerhead whose dock i like to fish, i know he is strictly against keeping 9 inch crappie. problem is he never remembers me or my boat. i was fishing around his dock the other day and he asks, you catching any good sized crappie? i say yeah, ive got a few 12 and 13 inchers but most of them are between 9 and 10 inches. he asks, you keep 9 inch crappie? there aint anything to eat on a 9 inch crappie. i just said, like i tell you everytime you try to throw your beliefs in my face, i would rather eat a 9 inch crappie than a 14 incher because my fillets cook faster and they are thin and crispy just like i like them. i'm sure if he had it his way, you would only be able to keep 13 inch or bigger crappie but dammit i prefer eating 9 inch crappie. some people like their bucks to be tender too. with that being said, on most properties i hunt, i will only kill does and mature bucks.


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Re: Alabama 8 Point Or Better Rule [Re: tfd1224] #1137649
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Originally Posted by tfd1224
mirage, everyone, as you can see, has different ideas of deer hunting and what makes them happy. i'm gonna change it up a little but take this for instance. i was crappie fishing the other day and there is this peckerhead whose dock i like to fish, i know he is strictly against keeping 9 inch crappie. problem is he never remembers me or my boat. i was fishing around his dock the other day and he asks, you catching any good sized crappie? i say yeah, ive got a few 12 and 13 inchers but most of them are between 9 and 10 inches. he asks, you keep 9 inch crappie? there aint anything to eat on a 9 inch crappie. i just said, like i tell you everytime you try to throw your beliefs in my face, i would rather eat a 9 inch crappie than a 14 incher because my fillets cook faster and they are thin and crispy just like i like them. i'm sure if he had it his way, you would only be able to keep 13 inch or bigger crappie but dammit i prefer eating 9 inch crappie. some people like their bucks to be tender too. with that being said, on most properties i hunt, i will only kill does and mature bucks.




Think how few crappie there would be without the 9" rule.


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Re: Alabama 8 Point Or Better Rule [Re: mirage243] #1137656
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But how would we make spike stew without a spike? All you antler farmers need to move to freakin Canada & stay the hell out of my deer hunting.


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Re: Alabama 8 Point Or Better Rule [Re: .308] #1137660
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Originally Posted by .308
But how would we make spike stew without a spike? All you antler farmers need to move to freakin Canada & stay the hell out of my deer hunting.


they couldn't kill nothing there either . lol

Re: Alabama 8 Point Or Better Rule [Re: mirage243] #1137818
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Like someone posted earlier, Alabama deer heards just don't have the genetics to put a strict AR on them. Yes there are good deer taken in the state, but you're just not going to see 170-190" deer taken on a regular basis.I would like to see the game check system put into effect, so we can collect accurate data on the AL deer harvest every year. Other than that, if your club and surrounding landowners feel the the same way about big deer, then your problems solved. If every place in Alabama had B & C class bucks walking around, a lot of people on this forum, myself included, couldn't afford to hunt.


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Re: Alabama 8 Point Or Better Rule [Re: mirage243] #1137824
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We acquired some extra land this year and we have made it 8 point or better and no does. Curious to see the results.


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Re: Alabama 8 Point Or Better Rule [Re: mirage243] #1137826
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an "eight point" rule by itself is a stupid and wasteful way to manage for trophy deer. You can kill a great, but small, 1.5 year old eight point but have to pass on a six year old six point. Does that make any sense to anyone managing for better bucks?????


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Re: Alabama 8 Point Or Better Rule [Re: Shaneomac1] #1137848
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Originally Posted by Shaneomac1
We acquired some extra land this year and we have made it 8 point or better and no does. Curious to see the results.


I can tell ya, a bunch of 2 and 3 YO, 100" 8 pointers are going to die, each year.



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Re: Alabama 8 Point Or Better Rule [Re: 2Dogs] #1137870
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Originally Posted by 2Dogs
Originally Posted by Shaneomac1
We acquired some extra land this year and we have made it 8 point or better and no does. Curious to see the results.


I can tell ya, a bunch of 2 and 3 YO, 100" 8 pointers are going to die, each year.

Correct, and with no does to put in the cooler, they'll probaaly shoot 3 a piece.

Re: Alabama 8 Point Or Better Rule [Re: blumsden] #1137873
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Originally Posted by blumsden
Originally Posted by 2Dogs
Originally Posted by Shaneomac1
We acquired some extra land this year and we have made it 8 point or better and no does. Curious to see the results.


I can tell ya, a bunch of 2 and 3 YO, 100" 8 pointers are going to die, each year.

Correct, and with no does to put in the cooler, they'll probaaly shoot 3 a piece.



I bet they're already doing it.


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Re: Alabama 8 Point Or Better Rule [Re: mirage243] #1137895
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Who would benefit from an eight point or better rule? I guess I just fail to see the problem with the regulations we have in place now. We get to chose which deer we take and which deer we let walk. A three buck limit is a reasonable regulation for most. It seems to be improving to age strucure in the herd throughout the state according to biologists and others that work in the industry. All the while, it is still allowing hunters to make their own decisions about what is a trophy to them and hunt the way they want to hunt.
It is a good balanced system for the majority of hunters.

However, with current trends across this country I'm sure it will eventually change. Legislation seems to tend to favor the minority that is the loudest in their demands that everybody else should accomodate them and their beliefs.



Re: Alabama 8 Point Or Better Rule [Re: mirage243] #1137900
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I have killed multiple older bucks that were missing brow tines over the years - making them 6 points.

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