PCP, if I can get that info I will share it.

That does increase the degree of difficulty for the sale.

Interestingly enough, you guys would love what VA is going to do next year. They are going to change the fall season to coincide with the opening of deer gun season in order to increase the number of hens killed incidentally by deer hunters.

I kid you not.

http://www.dgif.virginia.gov/wildlife/turkey/management-plan/draft-turkey-management-plan.pdf
(page 52, Allocation of Fall Harvest)

Matt have a question for you

i have a club already that i can trap after deer season .that is eat up a live with yotes and other predators but has a few turkeys,

i am in the process of building a web site to keep records, of predators caught, to watch the growing process of fawns and young turkeys,

here is my steps and by almeans if any thing is not legal please let me know, because this research needs to be legal by all means and also would this help you guys

my plans is the following steps

put trail cams around several green fields
to watch deer and turkeys

after all hunting is over then set out several locations were i know were turkeys are and put out large piles of bait and set trail cams around the bait

then as i catch predators i will post pics of the predators and the pics of deer as well as the turkeys.then we can check on the population of every thing threw the web site and and the state can adjust seasons and limits were and when it needs to be done,

right now i have one club that will work with me and i am looking for at least three more

my next question is this
beating a dead horse to death or do you think it would work

remember this want cost the state or the clubs from the start but it would cost the clubs later if they decide to hire a trapper but there is a way around that by teaching some one in the club how to trap and i will do that for free if they come to me or i could shoot a video of the system running traps and other steps plus showing the reults , give the state the copy rights and the clubs gets the videos from you guys.

also i have no problem with a warden checking me at any given time

Thank you, Matt. I would appreciate that very much, and think it would add a lot to this discussion.


>>>It's hard to get somebody to believe something when they've seen otherwise. It's hard to release kill limits to the public when they don't have the accurate data.<<<

N2TURKYS, I'm not sure what you refer to in this thread on the first statement, though I would certainly agree with it. What has someone seen in AL that contradicted the facts that gobbler gave us? All may not realize it, but gobbler is a wildlife biologist with an advanced degree from Auburn, with years of experience in the field as a researcher. And more impressively, he now makes his living in forestry and wildlife in the private sector in AL. I doubt there are many people around that know more about turkey biology in AL than he does. Not to say that he can't be wrong about something.

As to your second statement, the harvest by licensed hunters is available on the hunter survey forms. It had a 9.4% standard error for the turkey harvest for 2013. Obviously, nobody knows exactly how many turkeys or limits were killed, but + or - 10% would be close enough to satisfy me for the purpose of arguing on aldeer.

http://www.outdooralabama.com/sites/defa...202012-2013.pdf


>>>Interestingly enough, you guys would love what VA is going to do next year. They are going to change the fall season to coincide with the opening of deer gun season in order to increase the number of hens killed incidentally by deer hunters.
I kid you not.<<<

That is indeed interesting, Hal!

The very fact that they can even discuss something like a Cultural Carrying Limit shows that they don't think like the people of AL. There is no Cultural Carrying Limit in AL, and once again, I think part of the reason for that is the generous limits and seasons that we've had for so many decades. We see turkeys as a treasure; apparently there are a lot of folks in VA that see them as pests.

You can't have too many turkeys anymore than you can have too much fun. We have too many Yekruts who will pay good money to hunt them.

preacher thank you i did not know that about gobbler

PCP, my first statement means exactly what it says. I'm referring to the places I've been and people's property I've dealt with.


I already knew that Gobbler and I had some of the same credentials.


I'm glad the numbers from the survey work for you.

William:
You are on the right track with assessing predators, trapping predators then looking for results. However, there is a lot of research out there so you may not need to waste precious time. Camera census is great to do no matter what. Here is a link to Tall Timbers site where they describe their standardized "predator abundance index". Read it and note that they have set up generalizations as to whether predators are abundant or not and worth trapping. If you find a lot of predators start running traps or hire a trapper. However, given the state of Alabama, you could forgo the census and just start trapping. I have not been to any places where it is not necessary!!

http://talltimbers.org/measuring-the-predator-context-on-your-land-to-manage-predation-of-bobwhites/

This is also a recent and good article regarding quail and predators

http://www.wildlifemanagementinstitute.org/PDF/7-Impacts%20of%20Predators....pdf

The State is trying to make it easier to trap outside the normal trapping season since it does realize how much impact abundant predators are having on our deer, turkey and quail. Look to see if you can't get a permit for an extended trapping season.

PCP you're too kind, I take back all the bad stuff I have said about you

thanks gobbler were would i start for that permit.

Mike.Sievering@dcnr.alabama.gov

Mike sievering would be a good start
205-339-5716

I noticed the turkey population decline in our area after the farmers put out a lot of chicken liter. Whether it coincided with other factors I have no clue. Our population seems to be rebounding slowly.

Thank You again Gobbler , I have talked to Mike several times,.

Mike's a good dude. Does good skull mounts, too. I heard he's retiring soon.

Gobbler thank you.
i learned some from those links and some i already do.
it was a great studie sheet , should you find or have any more feel free to post or message me with them

Thank You Again