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Re: Charged with 9-11-257 on Perdido River WMA [Re: Southwood7] #113914
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I am telling you I would find him not guilty unless there was more evidence than we have seen here. Evidence that proves beyond a reasonable doubt that he was attempting to catch or kill an animal. As in the words our legislators chose to use in our game laws over and over, law after law: take, capture, or kill, or attempt to take, capture, or kill.

In the famous words of the late Johnny Cochran, "if the glove don't fit, you must aquit".

Re: Charged with 9-11-257 on Perdido River WMA [Re: Bucky205] #113924
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Okay, fair enough. I guess If you and were on the same jury we would be deadlocked right about now. Hung jury it is!!!



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Re: Charged with 9-11-257 on Perdido River WMA [Re: Bucky205] #113957
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Come on guys, you cannot tell me that you don't think there is reasonable doubt that he was not hunting.

I am jury, I look at his record. He is law abiding citizen his whole life. If he gets on the stand and tells me he was not hunting. WELL REASONABLE DOUBT.

You got to understand, his background to me is as good as the LEO's. This man fought for his country for over 20 years. He defended all of our rights.

And yall are going to sit here on this forum and say he is guilty when you don't know enough to say that.

I hope he wins his case. I really can't see how they can charge him with hunting unless he made a move to kill an animal. OK what if he was walking down the paved road trying to get back to his car. WAS HE HUNTING

Re: Charged with 9-11-257 on Perdido River WMA [Re: Hogwild] #113964
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Originally Posted By: Hogwild
How can he prove he was NOT hunting?

I think the evidence is stacked against him.

1) Loaded gun.
2) Permit to hunt that particular day.
3) Presence on land was clearly with the intent TO hunt.
4) Behavior was indicative of the act of hunting.
5) Camo garb and other required gear FOR hunting.

He just better hope he gets a bunch of people like some on here that have a boner for GW's and 'THE MAN' and not rational, logical people.


Exactly right.

I suppose an adult male dog with a back leg hiked up against a fire plug isn't about to take a big piss...going by some 'boner for Game Warden' members. Troy says horseshit...I'll add that a lot of old bullshit has also been spread by some.

Re: Charged with 9-11-257 on Perdido River WMA [Re: Bucky205] #113971
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If the intent of the law is to never be in or near any of these areas with a rifle. You can not walk in or within a boundry of the following; public roads, any forestry service road, timber operations, railroads or within 50 yards of any WMA boundry. I was parked on Brandau road by the bridge. How do you ever get in the woods or out. The argument that this is for safety is bogus. Where is the law that prohibits hunting near school zones or shopping mall. I have heard it stated that LEO's target hunters on WMA's because it is so easy to find someone to cite. With the state's budget suffering they are encouraging citations. It is a fact that that while there are not ticket quota's officers are expected to make a certain number of public contacts. Out of those contacts a certain number are expexted to be citations or their evaluations suffer.

Most of our LEO's do a good job, others not so much. They are not perfect. There is a group of state LEO's and officials in Mobile, AL right now being prosecuted for using their gas cards for personal use.

I can prove in court the officer lied when he wrote the citation. Also, he exagerated in district court to get a prosectution. LEOS fall under the laws of this state the same as I do. I spent over 20 years of my life defending what I thought was right with a much greater risk than a misdemeanor. I am sure as hell not afraid to stand in any court and defend myself.

LEO's are human and entitled to mistakes, most do a great job. But if I ever find the state encouraged borderline citations due to budget problems, I will file complaints against the state and the LEO and push them as far as they will go.

So run what you brung, I'll be there,

AW1/AW Charles B. Buchanan, USN(RET)


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Re: Charged with 9-11-257 on Perdido River WMA [Re: Bucky205] #113979
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Charles, I have no up to date info as I retired five years ago, BUT five years ago there was NO number put out by Montgomery office on the number of tickets we should write or suffer lower evals. I had a District Capt tell us we "should" make ten contacts a MONTH, no high or low limit on number of tickets.

I could sit in my yard and make ten contacts a MONTH.

State Troopers were, then, required to make ten contacts a shift. Accident work, warnings, tickets, stranded motorist all qualified as a contact. I know of no min on number of tickets for troopers then.

troy


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Re: Charged with 9-11-257 on Perdido River WMA [Re: BhamFred] #113995
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Good for you ... glad to see someone pursuing their claims through the legal system and fighting for it, instead of just bitching nonstop on a website.

Good luck to you.


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Re: Charged with 9-11-257 on Perdido River WMA [Re: Bucky205] #115248
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Thanks everyone who has participated in this topic. It has provided good arguments on both sides. I still affirm I was doing nothing more than transiting back to my truck after looking for a place to hunt..

On April 4, 2011 the District Attorney of Baldwin County null processed the case.


"There are no easy days, not even yesterday"
Re: Charged with 9-11-257 on Perdido River WMA [Re: Bucky205] #115254
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congrats.

troy


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Re: Charged with 9-11-257 on Perdido River WMA [Re: Bucky205] #115338
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Sorry you had to go thru this Bucky.

Good hunting,
Eddie

Re: Charged with 9-11-257 on Perdido River WMA [Re: Bucky205] #115370
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Good for you Bucky, maybe my case will come out the same.

Re: Charged with 9-11-257 on Perdido River WMA [Re: Bucky205] #115379
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Originally Posted By: Bucky205
Thanks everyone who has participated in this topic. It has provided good arguments on both sides. I still affirm I was doing nothing more than transiting back to my truck after looking for a place to hunt..

On April 4, 2011 the District Attorney of Baldwin County null processed the case.



Wonder why the DA did that, because he knew it was bullshit ticket to begin with.

Re: Charged with 9-11-257 on Perdido River WMA [Re: robgillaspie] #115391
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Originally Posted By: robgillaspie
Originally Posted By: Bucky205
Thanks everyone who has participated in this topic. It has provided good arguments on both sides. I still affirm I was doing nothing more than transiting back to my truck after looking for a place to hunt..

On April 4, 2011 the District Attorney of Baldwin County null processed the case.



Wonder why the DA did that, because he knew it was bullshit ticket to begin with.


As a presiding Judge once told me, "The Court has many things to consider in a case, other than guilt or innocence".


There is no hunting like the hunting of man, and those who have hunted armed men long enough and liked it, never care for anything else thereafter.
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Good for you Bucky. Wonder how many tax payer dollars were wasted in this process? Would be interesting to know.


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Re: Charged with 9-11-257 on Perdido River WMA [Re: PaschalBD] #115597
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I am very happy for you!
Where is that former Navy fellow, that was giving you a hard
time when all of this started?

Re: Charged with 9-11-257 on Perdido River WMA [Re: Bucky205] #116165
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Good job standing your ground and congratulations on forcing justice to prevail.

Re: Charged with 9-11-257 on Perdido River WMA [Re: Bucky205] #118430
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Latest Update,

The judge denied the the DA's motion to nolle prosuquied. Even though the State had already entered into an agreement to nolle proc. So we are headed back to trial on May 9, 2011. The assistant DA said this was the first time she had ever seen this happen.


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Re: Charged with 9-11-257 on Perdido River WMA [Re: robgillaspie] #118441
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Originally Posted By: robgillaspie
49er,

Is there anyway that Bucky can recover any of the money he has spent defending himself here. Or is the LEO covered by the state. They can write you a ticket that no jury is going to find guilty and then they have nothing to worry about.

Or is there some system that holds them accountable for writing tickets to honest citizens, that are found not guilty.

According to Fred or Troy, most of these violation are judgement calls.

How does a LEO know what he was thinking or doing. If he never made a move to take game.


Only if he sues for false arrest, which would be beyond difficult to win.


Originally Posted By: Bucky205
Latest Update,

The judge denied the the DA's motion to nolle prosuquied. Even though the State had already entered into an agreement to nolle proc. So we are headed back to trial on May 9, 2011. The assistant DA said this was the first time she had ever seen this happen.


Wow. Interesting turn of events. I "suspect" that there have been numerous DCNR's browsing this and the other thread regarding ticketed offenses. Wouldn't surprise me at all if some phone calls were made from Montgomery to discuss your situation. That's the problem with the internet - sure, you can tell your story, but undesirable audiences can see/hear it too. Like this guy, and others...

Originally Posted By: Realmarine
Real Marines; adapt, overcome, and improvise but they never whine. The only question the judge asks is guilty or not guilty. On this forum you already plead guilty. Just ingnorant of the law. My advice is to Marine up pay the court cost and the 50.00 fine and move on. There is no reason to sound like the guy in the wholesale car.com commercial saying why, why, why me.
Lets get back to talking about deer hunting...
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Re: Charged with 9-11-257 on Perdido River WMA [Re: robgillaspie] #118456
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Originally Posted By: robgillaspie
I saw a really big buck lask week on the side of the interstate north of Huntsville. I turned around at the next exit and went back. Got my field glasses and looked him over real good. I had a loaded gun in my truck. But I was not hunting from the road.
confused

So you had a loaded gun in your truck?


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Re: Charged with 9-11-257 on Perdido River WMA [Re: Bucky205] #118469
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I am not a Lawyer, but I was told last week by the Chief of the DCNR that the DA or the Judge could throw the case out. Well that does not look like that is the case.

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