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Re: Percentage of mature bucks that score 140" or more. [Re: 2Dogs] #1191730
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And virtually everyone posting in this thread agrees with Matt that there are only a very small percentage of fully mature 4.5 year old bucks that make it to 140 in our State.


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Re: Percentage of mature bucks that score 140" or more. [Re: Bamabucks14] #1191735
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Originally Posted By: Bamabucks14
Originally Posted By: Matt Brock
Some of you saying "most" or "40-60%" need a reality check. That is NOT the case anywhere in AL. Heck, it's not even the case in most of the Midwest. Having a bunch of 140+ deer killed in a particular area does not give anyone a glimpse of the actual average score, or percentage of score breakdowns. I can guarantee that there are more mature bucks under 140, than over. Way more. You may be selecting the 140+ bucks to kill, but you're leaving a lot of mature bucks in the population.

I'd say in our area it's probably 5%, maybe less than that. And we are in a good area with good genetics.

I'd say you don't know what kind of deer I have where I hunt, cause you ain't ever been there and never will. But you're welcome to assume all you want. I don't care what percent I have, all I know is I got quite a few 3 y/o bucks that are close to 140 or right at it, and they get a pass, so I'd say that only raises the %


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Re: Percentage of mature bucks that score 140" or more. [Re: foldemup] #1191738
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Originally Posted By: foldemup
Originally Posted By: Matt Brock

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I reckon you had Satellites watching my property to make sure My deer weren't breaking what some study said about some deer in another state. Really you have to argue with anyone that gives there $.02. I knew my age structure I knew my Buck to doe ratio, Fawn ratio, And weights.



I'm not trying to argue, only provide FACTS. Since facts are such a problem around here y'all can have this place. I'm out, the way everybody else that has tried to educate folks has gone. I spend more time on here defending data than having fun. If you want to think you had a place in AL with higher average antler scores than anywhere else in the country then go ahead. That's fine. Everybody on here can believe what they want to now, because I won't be here to argue about it.

Please don't leave...there are plenty of people on here that appreciate your knowledge and experience and research...some people just think they are arguing with their uncle Joe instead of someone that does it for a living.


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Re: Percentage of mature bucks that score 140" or more. [Re: mike35549] #1191749
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We get a buck or two a year on camera that may break 140, but they are almost 100% nocturnal. I'm guessing less than 1%.

Re: Percentage of mature bucks that score 140" or more. [Re: 2Dogs] #1191755
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Originally Posted By: 2Dogs
Originally Posted By: HippieKiller
I do not know Matt or anyone that does for that matter. Google says he has a degree in wildlife biology. That means he has the book sense. Google also says he has been a biologist at a WMA since 2011. That means he has, at a minimum, 3 years field experience.

I'll take his word on what the science and data says about the herd.


I know him enough to also know he has a lifetime of "woods" experience, he's a very accomplished deer hunter and student of the animal.


He can barely get in the truck now laugh

Re: Percentage of mature bucks that score 140" or more. [Re: mike35549] #1191771
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I agree with what most everyone on here is stating. I was fortunate to grow up hunting some of the most fertile dirt in the SE up and down the Miss River. Giles Island, Rifle Point, Glasscock Island, all before they became commercial operations. It was strictly from luck of the draw of the area I was born and raised in. We have also been fortunate enough to have a small tract of private ground in the Miss Delta for the past 4 seasons. In 25+ years of hunting, and running trail cams for the past decade or so, I'd say an average of 5% or less is pretty accurate. On highly managed properties in these areas, and with management practices becoming more widespread, that number MIGHT increase up to 15-20%. And that is on ELITE properties inside the levee. Our little place is surrounded by good neighbors and decent ag in close proximity, and I would venture that in 4 years and close to 100 different bucks, we might have 3-5% at 140 and ZERO over 150. These outlying numbers being given in this thread are not even believable. I'm with NH, prove it if you think your numbers are 25% or higher.


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Ya'll are just overthinking it now

Re: Percentage of mature bucks that score 140" or more. [Re: NightHunter] #1191777
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Originally Posted By: NightHunter
Originally Posted By: 2Dogs
Originally Posted By: HippieKiller
I do not know Matt or anyone that does for that matter. Google says he has a degree in wildlife biology. That means he has the book sense. Google also says he has been a biologist at a WMA since 2011. That means he has, at a minimum, 3 years field experience.

I'll take his word on what the science and data says about the herd.


I know him enough to also know he has a lifetime of "woods" experience, he's a very accomplished deer hunter and student of the animal.


He can barely get in the truck now laugh


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Re: Percentage of mature bucks that score 140" or more. [Re: mike35549] #1191782
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I'm confused? Let's say you got 500 acres and have a pic of a 140 in deer and claim 1 % in this survey. Are you not then saying that you have 99 bucks that are 4 1/2 but won't score 140? It's not the 140 that's so rare it's the 4 1/2 yr old bucks that are. I hope that makes sense.


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Re: Percentage of mature bucks that score 140" or more. [Re: ridgestalker] #1191784
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Originally Posted By: ridgestalker
I'm confused? Let's say you got 500 acres and have a pic of a 140 in deer and claim 1 % in this survey. Are you not then saying that you have 99 bucks that are 4 1/2 but won't score 140? It's not the 140 that's so rare it's the 4 1/2 yr old bucks that are. I hope that makes sense.


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Re: Percentage of mature bucks that score 140" or more. [Re: ridgestalker] #1191787
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Originally Posted By: ridgestalker
I'm confused? Let's say you got 500 acres and have a pic of a 140 in deer and claim 1 % in this survey. Are you not then saying that you have 99 bucks that are 4 1/2 but won't score 140? It's not the 140 that's so rare it's the 4 1/2 yr old bucks that are. I hope that makes sense.


Good point. I would like to know the percentage of bucks killed that are 4 1/2 or more in age.

Re: Percentage of mature bucks that score 140" or more. [Re: ridgestalker] #1191788
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Originally Posted By: ridgestalker
I'm confused? Let's say you got 500 acres and have a pic of a 140 in deer and claim 1 % in this survey. Are you not then saying that you have 99 bucks that are 4 1/2 but won't score 140? It's not the 140 that's so rare it's the 4 1/2 yr old bucks that are. I hope that makes sense.


That is a good point. We have a good percentage of deer on cam that are 4+. Still would venture to say max of 10% would make the 140 grade.


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Ya'll are just overthinking it now

Re: Percentage of mature bucks that score 140" or more. [Re: ridgestalker] #1191792
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Originally Posted By: ridgestalker
I'm confused? Let's say you got 500 acres and have a pic of a 140 in deer and claim 1 % in this survey. Are you not then saying that you have 99 bucks that are 4 1/2 but won't score 140? It's not the 140 that's so rare it's the 4 1/2 yr old bucks that are. I hope that makes sense.


I was thinking of an area , whatever the size, that had 100 4 yo. Of that 100 what % are 140. Both 4Yo and 140" is rare in many areas. You guessed 25%, there very well may be small pockets that run that high. Those 40%+ property guesses, I would like to see some data also. All this is just guess work, makes for conversation. smile

I think I just confused myself. laugh

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Re: Percentage of mature bucks that score 140" or more. [Re: mike35549] #1191841
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I've been running deer cameras on the area we hunt in Morgan county for around 15+ years and have only had 2 deer that might make the 140 mark.

Re: Percentage of mature bucks that score 140" or more. [Re: Talltines] #1191854
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I'm calling BS on your story unless you have some kind of fancy high fence, million dollar a deer population. If so, this thread don't even apply to you so STFU!!


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Re: Percentage of mature bucks that score 140" or more. [Re: ] #1191859
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Originally Posted By: Matt Brock

Originally Posted By: Talltines
Originally Posted By: Matt Brock
Some of you saying "most" or "40-60%" need a reality check. That is NOT the case anywhere in AL. Heck, it's not even the case in most of the Midwest. Having a bunch of 140+ deer killed in a particular area does not give anyone a glimpse of the actual average score, or percentage of score breakdowns. I can guarantee that there are more mature bucks under 140, than over. Way more. You may be selecting the 140+ bucks to kill, but you're leaving a lot of mature bucks in the population.

I'd say in our area it's probably 5%, maybe less than that. And we are in a good area with good genetics.


I reckon you had Satellites watching my property to make sure My deer weren't breaking what some study said about some deer in another state. Really you have to argue with anyone that gives there $.02. I knew my age structure I knew my Buck to doe ratio, Fawn ratio, And weights.



I'm not trying to argue, only provide FACTS. Since facts are such a problem around here y'all can have this place. I'm out, the way everybody else that has tried to educate folks has gone. I spend more time on here defending data than having fun. If you want to think you had a place in AL with higher average antler scores than anywhere else in the country then go ahead. That's fine. Everybody on here can believe what they want to now, because I won't be here to argue about it.


Matt some things and some people on here you can't pay much attention to. If all the good folks let all the crazy folks run them off what are we gonna be left with. And remember you can't fix stupid so if you have to you can always use the ignore button.


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Re: Percentage of mature bucks that score 140" or more. [Re: RikkiV] #1191910
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Originally Posted By: RikkiV
Originally Posted By: ridgestalker
I'm confused? Let's say you got 500 acres and have a pic of a 140 in deer and claim 1 % in this survey. Are you not then saying that you have 99 bucks that are 4 1/2 but won't score 140? It's not the 140 that's so rare it's the 4 1/2 yr old bucks that are. I hope that makes sense.


Good point. I would like to know the percentage of bucks killed that are 4 1/2 or more in age.


I don't know about anywhere but where I hunt. Where I hunt the majority of bucks that are killed are 4.5 or older not all some mistakes are made. We also don't kill very many bucks.


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Re: Percentage of mature bucks that score 140" or more. [Re: mike35549] #1191929
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Y'all want to see a picture of a real Alabama 4 year old buck that has had well limed and fertilized summer and winter plots, and a pristine alfalfa buffet to eat for the last 3 years of his life? Free choice, calcium and phosphate boosted minerals to eat at will. A buck from an area with a low deer population, an area well below the carrying capacity of the land?


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Re: Percentage of mature bucks that score 140" or more. [Re: mike35549] #1191979
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Yep!

Re: Percentage of mature bucks that score 140" or more. [Re: mike35549] #1191989
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We have killed 5 bucks 4.5 or older in the last 5 years and only 1 scored over 140 and he was the only 8pt but 7.5 years old. Using my trail cam pictures I have 6 bucks that I know are over 4.5 and only 1 will be over 140. The bucks where I hunt are 125-135 at 4.5 and only reach 140 around 6.5 years. I'm sure there are bucks that hit 140 at 4.5 but it would be the exception to the rule.

Re: Percentage of mature bucks that score 140" or more. [Re: NightHunter] #1192001
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Originally Posted By: NightHunter
Yep!


When I can get photobucket to cooperate I will post it up. I'm guessing he's pushing 200 lbs.


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