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Re: Got checked by the Wardens today
[Re: Vernon Tull]
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01/03/15 04:16 PM
01/03/15 04:16 PM
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BhamFred
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He explained to us it doesn't matter if corn is 100 yards and out of sight from stand. If he sees a track headed towards the corn he's writing a ticket. So the wardens are now writing tickets for something that's legal... Even though a hunter is going by the what the law says they're getting a ticket anyway.... They just need to go back to the way it was or legalize corn altogether... Yep that's what it sounds like to me. If a warden doesn't like the 100-yard-out-of-sight law, he will simply write tickets to fit his view of things. major lawsuit in the making there....
I've spent most of the money I've made in my lifetime on hunting and fishing. The rest I just wasted.....
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muslims are like coyotes, only good one is a dead one
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Re: Got checked by the Wardens today
[Re: Watchemflop]
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01/03/15 04:18 PM
01/03/15 04:18 PM
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Squeaky
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What do you mean squeaky. If he sees a deer track headed towards the corn? What I mean is, if this particular game warden catches you hunting an area with corn over 100 yards and out of sight of stand he's giving you a ticket if there is a single deer track coming by your stand headed in the direction of corn. He stated very clearly it's baiting and he's winning the cases when it goes to court. The law is very vague and his interruption is its baiting. I didn't have near the amount of conversation with the GW as Basscat and several members of my club did. Basscat may be able to go into more detail on exactly what was said. I do know he was looking for corn when checking hunting areas and he had full intentions of righting a ticket if someone was hunting the area with corn. I personally heard him say guys were poring out corn around food plots that where over 100 yards and out of sight. He wrote their butts a ticket and won the case in court.
"Tomorrow is the most important thing in life. Comes to us at midnight very clean. It's perfect when it arrives and it puts itself in our hands. It hopes we've learned something from yesterday."
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Re: Got checked by the Wardens today
[Re: Squeaky]
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01/03/15 04:26 PM
01/03/15 04:26 PM
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Remington270
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What do you mean squeaky. If he sees a deer track headed towards the corn? What I mean is, if this particular game warden catches you hunting an area with corn over 100 yards and out of sight of stand he's giving you a ticket if there is a single deer track coming by your stand headed in the direction of corn. He stated very clearly it's baiting and he's winning the cases when it goes to court. The law is very vague and his interruption is its baiting. I didn't have near the amount of conversation with the GW as Basscat and several members of my club did. Basscat may be able to go into more detail on exactly what was said. I do know he was looking for corn when checking hunting areas and he had full intentions of righting a ticket if someone was hunting the area with corn. I personally heard him say guys were poring out corn around food plots that where over 100 yards and out of sight. He wrote their butts a ticket and won the case in court. The law is actually not vague AT ALL. It's only got 2 criteria: out of sight and >100 yds. That's it. If corn didn't attract deer then they wouldn't make a law about it to begin with, so the whole baiting/feeding thing is bogus.
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Re: Got checked by the Wardens today
[Re: Squeaky]
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01/03/15 04:28 PM
01/03/15 04:28 PM
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What do you mean squeaky. If he sees a deer track headed towards the corn? What I mean is, if this particular game warden catches you hunting an area with corn over 100 yards and out of sight of stand he's giving you a ticket if there is a single deer track coming by your stand headed in the direction of corn. He stated very clearly it's baiting and he's winning the cases when it goes to court. The law is very vague and his interruption is its baiting. I didn't have near the amount of conversation with the GW as Basscat and several members of my club did. Basscat may be able to go into more detail on exactly what was said. I do know he was looking for corn when checking hunting areas and he had full intentions of righting a ticket if someone was hunting the area with corn. I personally heard him say guys were poring out corn around food plots that where over 100 yards and out of sight. He wrote their butts a ticket and won the case in court. I wonder if any of the ones found guilty took it to a higher court?
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Re: Got checked by the Wardens today
[Re: LIOJeff]
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01/03/15 04:31 PM
01/03/15 04:31 PM
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...like convicts in prison...everybody is innocent that gets a ticket
Grumpy Old MS Bastage
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Re: Got checked by the Wardens today
[Re: SFC3]
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01/03/15 04:34 PM
01/03/15 04:34 PM
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Remington270
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...like convicts in prison...everybody is innocent that gets a ticket You're actually right. Innocent until proven guilty or the ticket paid. That's actually a constitutional thing, the whole innocent until proven guilty just like the 2nd amendment that we all love.
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Re: Got checked by the Wardens today
[Re: Remington270]
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01/03/15 04:44 PM
01/03/15 04:44 PM
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hunterbuck
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The law is actually not vague AT ALL. It's only got 2 criteria: out of sight and >100 yds. That's it. Um...not really. From Guy himself.. "there shall be a rebuttable presumption that any bait or feed located beyond 100 yards from the hunter and not within the line of sight of the hunter, is not a lure, attraction or enticement to, on or over the area where the hunter is attempting to kill or take deer or feral swine.
"You think I care? Roll Damn Tide"
Have you tried Google?
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Re: Got checked by the Wardens today
[Re: Squeaky]
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01/03/15 04:47 PM
01/03/15 04:47 PM
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2Dogs
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What do you mean squeaky. If he sees a deer track headed towards the corn? What I mean is, if this particular game warden catches you hunting an area with corn over 100 yards and out of sight of stand he's giving you a ticket if there is a single deer track coming by your stand headed in the direction of corn. He stated very clearly it's baiting and he's winning the cases when it goes to court. The law is very vague and his interruption is its baiting. I didn't have near the amount of conversation with the GW as Basscat and several members of my club did. Basscat may be able to go into more detail on exactly what was said. I do know he was looking for corn when checking hunting areas and he had full intentions of righting a ticket if someone was hunting the area with corn. I personally heard him say guys were poring out corn around food plots that where over 100 yards and out of sight. He wrote their butts a ticket and won the case in court. Chuck Sykes needs to jerk a knot in his ass! I along with many others including most GWs from Northeast Alabama heard Chuck explain it last year at a meeting at the Jackson Farmers Co-op. He said the law is as written,100 yards and out of sight, nothing more or less. He said , and I quote " I don't have an officer that can read a deer's mind, a buck can bed down, turn down another trail, get after a doe." That GW has just been lucky he's written folks that will whip out their wallet and pay. He'll write someone with the wallet and inclination to fight it all the way and he'll loose. I guess that's when Chuck Sykes will jerk a knot in his ass.
Last edited by 2Dogs; 01/03/15 05:01 PM.
"Why do you ask"?
Always vote the slowest path to socialism.
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Re: Got checked by the Wardens today
[Re: 2Dogs]
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01/03/15 05:01 PM
01/03/15 05:01 PM
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Squeaky
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What do you mean squeaky. If he sees a deer track headed towards the corn? What I mean is, if this particular game warden catches you hunting an area with corn over 100 yards and out of sight of stand he's giving you a ticket if there is a single deer track coming by your stand headed in the direction of corn. He stated very clearly it's baiting and he's winning the cases when it goes to court. The law is very vague and his interruption is its baiting. I didn't have near the amount of conversation with the GW as Basscat and several members of my club did. Basscat may be able to go into more detail on exactly what was said. I do know he was looking for corn when checking hunting areas and he had full intentions of righting a ticket if someone was hunting the area with corn. I personally heard him say guys were poring out corn around food plots that where over 100 yards and out of sight. He wrote their butts a ticket and won the case in court. Chuck Sykes needs to jerk a knot in his ass! I along with many others including most GWs from Northeast Alabama heard Chuck explain it last year at a meeting at the Jackson Farmers Co-op. He said the law is as written,100 yards and out of sight, nothing more or less. He said , and I quote " I don't have an officer that can read a deer's mind, a buck can bed down, turn down another trail, get after a doe." I agree 2dogs. I know when my club president got finished talking with him he flat out said its best we are not feeding on our place. I know they asked the GW a lot of questions and his answer was the same. He's writing a ticket!! I can care less because I don't feed and never had it work for me where it is legal to feed. I can understand others views on wanting to feed to hold deer and particularly keep does in a certain area.
"Tomorrow is the most important thing in life. Comes to us at midnight very clean. It's perfect when it arrives and it puts itself in our hands. It hopes we've learned something from yesterday."
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Re: Got checked by the Wardens today
[Re: LIOJeff]
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01/03/15 05:07 PM
01/03/15 05:07 PM
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Sounds about typical of Roach to me Mike.
Quietly killing turkeys where youre not!!! My tank full of give a fraks been runnin on empty I'm the paterfamilias
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Re: Got checked by the Wardens today
[Re: LIOJeff]
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01/03/15 05:10 PM
01/03/15 05:10 PM
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YEKRUT
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Whatever happened to people learning how to hunt and not needing all this bait?
Some men are mere hunters; others are turkey hunters. —Archibald Rutledge—
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Re: Got checked by the Wardens today
[Re: YEKRUT]
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01/03/15 05:14 PM
01/03/15 05:14 PM
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Whatever happened to people learning how to hunt and not needing all this bait? That's what I'd like to know. Never needed it before now, and won't start using it. The folks I know who do use it aren't killing any better or any more deer than they used to.
"You think I care? Roll Damn Tide"
Have you tried Google?
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Re: Got checked by the Wardens today
[Re: LIOJeff]
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01/03/15 05:16 PM
01/03/15 05:16 PM
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Until the appellate courts address the issue, there will be differing interpretations by judge's throughout the state. I intend to address this issue at the winter judge's conference later this month to see if there is any consensus. The regulation enacted by the DCNR does not supersede state law enacted by the legislature. The regulation only creates a "rebuttable presumption" that the bait or feed is not placed as a lure if it is more than 100 yards away and out of the line of sight. This presumption can be rebutted by evidence presented by the game warden in Court that the bait was placed in such a manner as to act as a lure. This could be through photographs or testimony. I have discussed my interpretation of the regulation with our wardens in Lowndes County. Other judges may have a different interpretation, but the regulation does very little to clarify this issue from a legal standpoint. It only serves to muddy the water. I suspect there will be some cases addressed by the Court of Criminal Appeals that will help clarify the application of the regulation to the baiting statute but that will not be for several months or perhaps a year. Until then I suggest that you consult with your local game warden before placing any corn or other feed in an area that you may think is questionable.
Last edited by augustus_65; 01/03/15 06:06 PM.
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Re: Got checked by the Wardens today
[Re: hunterbuck]
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01/03/15 05:16 PM
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Whatever happened to people learning how to hunt and not needing all this bait? That's what I'd like to know. Never needed it before now, and won't start using it. The folks I know who do use it aren't killing any better or any more deer than they used to. And they won't cause they have made the mature deer nocturnal. If you want to not kill big deer , sit on top of a pile of corn.
"Why do you ask"?
Always vote the slowest path to socialism.
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Re: Got checked by the Wardens today
[Re: augustus_65]
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01/03/15 05:20 PM
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Until the appellate courts address the issue, there will be differing interpretations by judge's throughout the state. I intend to address this issue at the winter judge's conference later this month to see if there is any consensus. The regulation enacted by the DCNR does not supersede state law enacted by the legislature. The regulation only creates a "rebuttable presumption" that the bait or feed is not placed as a lure if it is more than 100 yards away and out of the line of sight. This presumption can be rebutted by evidence presented by the game warden in Court that the bait was placed in such a manner as to act as a lure. This could be through photographs or testimony. I have discussed my interpretation of the regulation with our wardens in Lowndes County. Other judges may have a different interpretation, but the regulation does very little to clarify this issue from a legal standpoint. It only serves to muddy the water. I suspect there will be some cases addressed by the Court of Criminal Appeals that will help clarify the application of the regulation to the baiting statute but that will not be for several months or perhaps a year. Until then I suggest that you consult with your local game warden before placing any corn or other feed in an area that you may think is questionable. Judge.
"Why do you ask"?
Always vote the slowest path to socialism.
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Re: Got checked by the Wardens today
[Re: augustus_65]
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01/03/15 05:21 PM
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The regulation enacted by the DCNR does not supersede state law enacted by the legislature. The regulation only creates a "rebuttable presumption" that the bait or feed is not placed as a lure if it is more than 100 yards away and out of the line of sight. This presumption can be rebutted by evidence presented by the game warden in Court that the bait was placed in such a manner as to act as a lure. This quote, especially the bold part, cannot be stressed enough. The people that think the only thing that matters is 1)over 100 yards away and 2)out of sight, are setting themselves up for a rude awakening.
"You think I care? Roll Damn Tide"
Have you tried Google?
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