30-30 is only good out to 100yds

can be true. There are certain bullet heads that expand better and have reliable expansion only in certain range of FPS.

And a round will rise then flatten out then begin to descend once it lose energy

...and, that's why I posted it,too

Tikka is a tack driver.

1/8th MOA . . . . . . .

Ummm,..... Tumbling bullets are not myths.

My paw paws brothers moms youngest son can shoot a model 12 faster than Leroy can shoot that 1100 semi auto.

Hell, I can do that.

with some of the old mossberg ,daly, and sears pumps all you had to do was hold the trigger and pump . lol

Let me get this straight, you are saying a bullet will rise above the line of the bore?

Wrong and wrong.

Bullets can go too slow to expand but not too fast to expand unless it is somehow faulty or designed not to expand, as in solids.

A bullet does not ever rise. It starts to fall from the time it leaves the barrel. The perception is that it rises because you have aimed it up with reference to the scope line of sight, so that it will level out or fall on target at your point of aim.

Dang it Clark, you spoilin' the fun.

To actually rise, it would need wings so it could generate lift. Now that would be interesting.

Anyone who has said it rises shouldn't feel bad though. Even people who know better have said the same thing because it is an easy way to describe the perceived effect without drawing a picture.

You gotta shoot a cannon to kill a deer. It takes 150 grains traveling 3000 fps or it just wont cut it.

My old ithaca will do it too

Once a Remington Woodsmaster starts jamming you might as well scrap it ,it's finished.I saw that proven wrong by the gunsmith that I use.

To actually rise, it would need wings so it could generate lift. Now that would be interesting.

Anyone who has said it rises shouldn't feel bad though. Even people who know better have said the same thing because it is an easy way to describe the perceived effect without drawing a picture.[/quote]

You can put that in your book as a W but as a rifle is zeroed blah blah blah. You can have that.

But if you will look at any bullet manufacturers website you will see that there are max velocities to be used for every bullet type die to stability and lack of performance. That's not an opinion

A bullet can not come out of a perfectly horizontal gun and go up. The muzzle has to be pointed at an upward angle to do so.

To actually rise, it would need wings so it could generate lift. Now that would be interesting.

Anyone who has said it rises shouldn't feel bad though. Even people who know better have said the same thing because it is an easy way to describe the perceived effect without drawing a picture.[/quote]

You can put that in your book as a W but as a rifle is zeroed blah blah blah. You can have that.

But if you will look at any bullet manufacturers website you will see that there are max velocities to be used for every bullet type die to stability and lack of performance. That's not an opinion [/quote]

Yes, but none of those guidelines are because a bullet will not expand if it's moving too fast. What happens is it expands too much. It will explode if pushed too hard. It won't go through so fast that it doesn't have time to expand. It can either go too slow to expand or expand too much and disintegrate. It might even become unstable before reaching the target.Those guidelines show at what speeds it expands properly the way it was designed to expand. I'm talking normal deer hunting bullets, not Armour piercing bullets or varmint bullets that are designed to explode.

I'm not against you here, Just trying to dispel a myth.

One of my favorites is when ppl claim shotguns and handguns don't penetrate walls like an AR, or that they are safer than an AR in a HD situation.

There is also the "you just have to point a shotgun in the direction..."