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Re: is it true?
[Re: Clem]
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02/01/15 11:18 AM
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bigt
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Going to a limit would push more people to get into DMAP, which the DCNR has pushed aggressively.
If y'all want more government control and restriction of what you can do on your land, just keep pushing for a yearly limit on does to go along with the one on bucks. Before long some of y'all will be wanting 3 does and 1 buck and all the "because no one NEEDS more than ..." bullcrap.
It's amazing how many folks want government to leave them alone until it come s to deer hunting and then they don't mind the restrictions, and actually ask for them.
What is amazing to me is how people try to make this less government argument when it comes to bag limits and seasons. Both of which has changed over the years one way or the other. Which is what it is supposed to happen according to the needs of species management. In my opinion that is what is bullcrap.....
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Re: is it true?
[Re: N2TRKYS]
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02/01/15 11:18 AM
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Panhandle Florida
PaschalBD
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I'm with Clem, keep them damn g men outta my bidness.
A servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ.
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Re: is it true?
[Re: Deerslyer86]
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02/01/15 11:56 AM
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Covington county AL
Zzzfog
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Covington county AL
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I agree!! Go back to doe days. If a club/landowner needs to kill more then join the DMAP. Seems pretty simple to me.
Right and wrong will never change---only people's perception!
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Re: is it true?
[Re: Cuz-Pat]
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02/01/15 12:07 PM
02/01/15 12:07 PM
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Boxes Cove
2Dogs
Freak of Nature
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The doe slaughter is the worst damn thing the DCNR ever allowed in this state. Some parts of Marshall County barely have a deer herd due to the overkill for year after year. I'd like to skulldrag every damn moron that thinks killing 90% of the does is a good thing. Amen, Wiley! I agree 100%! I hope it goes back to a closed season & opened for just a few days in early December. Mississippi has a doe limit. I think maybe it is 5 per hunter per season? Even something like that would be better than one or two per day for every day of the season. This has been the worst season for me in deer sightings I believe since I started deer hunting years ago. I hope they aren't reading your post if you're talking state wide. The DAs used to have our "doe days" right during the rut, STUPID! Shooting does should be done early and often, if you need some taken out. If they give Jackson Co bout the first 2-3 weeks and 2-4 a day. 
"Why do you ask"?
Always vote the slowest path to socialism.
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Re: is it true?
[Re: bigt]
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02/01/15 12:28 PM
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Lastly, if you think too many does are being killed off of your property you don't HAVE to shoot a doe a day just because the state allows it. That works great for large property owners but small landowners like myself are at the mercy of the surrounding landowners and their management strategies or lack there of. In my opinion, and it's just that...an opinion, it works just as well on a small tract. I'm blessed enough to have a friend that let's me hunt on 160 acres. We killed one deer off of it this season. We could have killed deer every trip out but didn't. This small tract basically acts as a sanctuary from the surrounding clubs. Even with it being a but of a slow season for us we'd still see 6-7 deer every hunt and sometimes as many as 11. Last year there were hunts we'd have so many deer in the field I couldn't count them fast enough before a few would leave and others pour in. We don't need anyone telling us not to shoot a deer everyday. We just self regulate what we do. The surrounding clubs can shoot everything that moves if they want too. It's just helping us by pushing deer towards us. Just my opinion.
If voting made any difference, they wouldn’t let us do it.-Mark Twain
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Re: is it true?
[Re: Clem]
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02/01/15 01:49 PM
02/01/15 01:49 PM
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North Alabama
Wiley Coyote
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Going to a limit would push more people to get into DMAP, which the DCNR has pushed aggressively.
If y'all want more government control and restriction of what you can do on your land, just keep pushing for a yearly limit on does to go along with the one on bucks. Before long some of y'all will be wanting 3 does and 1 buck and all the "because no one NEEDS more than ..." bullcrap.
It's amazing how many folks want government to leave them alone until it come s to deer hunting and then they don't mind the restrictions, and actually ask for them.
Alabama hunters will ALWAYS be subjected to what the DCNR sets as limits on hunting. They don't have a damn clue how to gather REAL data and don't seem to give a damn on working toward that goal. LOTS of other states have very good check in systems for deer and turkeys. They've had their systems for DECADES, proven that it works and yet Alabama has a 'form' for check in that can be reprinted/copied as many times as a hunter chooses. Any blithering idiot that sleeps under a bridge would tell you that it's idiotic to believe in that type of 'system'. WE don't need MORE government regs and intrusion but the 'system' that's in place now is the kind of government control that we don't need. A government that will give you a ticket for not having an ink pen or pencil in your possession but allow access to an unlimited supply of check in forms. If I had control for about 15 minutes I'd fire everybody in DCNR management that had been there for more than a week.
I firmly believe that a double gallows should be constructed on the East Lawn of The White House. Politicians who willfully and shamelessly violate their oath to uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States of America should be swiftly tried and, upon conviction, publicly hanged at sunup the day after conviction. If multiple convicts are to be hanged they can choose with whom to share the gallows or names shall be drawn from the hangman's hat to be hanged 2 at a time.
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Re: is it true?
[Re: Wiley Coyote]
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02/01/15 01:52 PM
02/01/15 01:52 PM
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Boxes Cove
2Dogs
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Going to a limit would push more people to get into DMAP, which the DCNR has pushed aggressively.
If y'all want more government control and restriction of what you can do on your land, just keep pushing for a yearly limit on does to go along with the one on bucks. Before long some of y'all will be wanting 3 does and 1 buck and all the "because no one NEEDS more than ..." bullcrap.
It's amazing how many folks want government to leave them alone until it come s to deer hunting and then they don't mind the restrictions, and actually ask for them.
Alabama hunters will ALWAYS be subjected to what the DCNR sets as limits on hunting. They don't have a damn clue how to gather REAL data and don't seem to give a damn on working toward that goal. LOTS of other states have very good check in systems for deer and turkeys. They've had their systems for DECADES, proven that it works and yet Alabama has a 'form' for check in that can be reprinted/copied as many times as a hunter chooses. Any blithering idiot that sleeps under a bridge would tell you that it's idiotic to believe in that type of 'system'. WE don't need MORE government regs and intrusion but the 'system' that's in place now is the kind of government control that we don't need. A government that will give you a ticket for not having an ink pen or pencil in your possession but allow access to an unlimited supply of check in forms. If I had control for about 15 minutes I'd fire everybody in DCNR management that had been there for more than a week.  You playin' rough there Wiley!
"Why do you ask"?
Always vote the slowest path to socialism.
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Re: is it true?
[Re: ford150man]
#1249212
02/01/15 02:00 PM
02/01/15 02:00 PM
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Gulfcrest
bigt
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Lastly, if you think too many does are being killed off of your property you don't HAVE to shoot a doe a day just because the state allows it. That works great for large property owners but small landowners like myself are at the mercy of the surrounding landowners and their management strategies or lack there of. In my opinion, and it's just that...an opinion, it works just as well on a small tract. I'm blessed enough to have a friend that let's me hunt on 160 acres. We killed one deer off of it this season. We could have killed deer every trip out but didn't. This small tract basically acts as a sanctuary from the surrounding clubs. Even with it being a but of a slow season for us we'd still see 6-7 deer every hunt and sometimes as many as 11. Last year there were hunts we'd have so many deer in the field I couldn't count them fast enough before a few would leave and others pour in. We don't need anyone telling us not to shoot a deer everyday. We just self regulate what we do. The surrounding clubs can shoot everything that moves if they want too. It's just helping us by pushing deer towards us. Just my opinion. It might work in your situation with clubs surrounding, but in my case it is mostly 10 to 20 acre tracts with people shooting brown it is down. I can usually see a deer or two on my place, but I have only killed one deer in twelve years off of it. As far as a sanctuary hell I consider my property a safe haven. I am the only one that hunts it and I only hunt it 5 to 7 times a season to keep the pressure off. I run cameras all year to let me know what is going on. Have you ever planted winter peas that had so little browsing that they actually produced peas? I have...
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Re: is it true?
[Re: Deerslyer86]
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02/01/15 02:15 PM
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wedowee
daniel white
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Its very simple go back to the system we was using in 2000. That time frame we had more deer than a man could dream of. The state needs to go back to doe days before we no longer have anymore does period. I'm tired of not seeing deer. The state needs to enforce the 3 buck rule better than it is Back when 90 % of the state was dogging?? Yea thats when we had some deer. 
"You do and it will be the biggest mistake you ever made, you Texas brush popper" John Wayne
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Re: is it true?
[Re: Deerslyer86]
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02/01/15 03:04 PM
02/01/15 03:04 PM
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Madison, AL
wmd
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Madison, AL
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If the State knows (thinks?) that an area of the state doesn't need to have does killed, than they should close the season on does in that area.
As far as 2/day, 1/day, X/year, or doe days, the limit need not necessarily be a goal. Season and/or daily bag limits are as much or more about influencing hunter perception and hunter behavior in the field. 2 does/day is pretty much telling hunters that there is an endless supply of does or they are grossly overpopulated. Changing to 1/day, in this context, would suggest that numbers have declined, but we still have plenty of deer in Alabama, and the does can sustain a pretty sizable harvest. A season limit of X/day, should cause hunters to realize that the "overall" doe numbers are down significantly and a much reduced harvest is needed. Even then, the season limit isn't or doesn't have to be a goal, in my opinion.
Last edited by wmd; 02/01/15 03:04 PM.
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Re: is it true?
[Re: Zzzfog]
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02/01/15 03:16 PM
02/01/15 03:16 PM
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Pelham, AL
Hammerdown
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Pelham, AL
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I agree!! Go back to doe days. If a club/landowner needs to kill more then join the DMAP. Seems pretty simple to me. This^^^^^^^^^
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