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Re: Weird encounter with a game warden
[Re: jmj120]
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04/20/15 06:22 AM
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Jawbone's contention that the officer should assume the property lost or assume a crime has been committed with no prior report of such, would be shredded in court by a competent attorney. You are very wrong my friend! The officer will contend that he was not assuming anything, but he was investigating the situation. Any court in America will say that is reasonable. A parked 4 wheeler in the woods during turkey season is a "situation"? Horsecrap. Dang right it is..... He should have had a gun with him if he was expecting a " situation". What LEO is gonna walk into any "situation" without a gun... Guess he was assuming it was a safe nonviolent criminal...as most gun toting hunters are.... Give me a break.... 
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Re: Weird encounter with a game warden
[Re: JA]
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04/20/15 06:22 AM
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Keep in mind ATVs in AL have no registration so checking to see if they are stolen from down in the woods is no easy matter. Also keep in mind I've been playing the devil's advocate in giving you why a complaint would be useless. Sure taking the keys was pretextual to keep the hunter from leaving, but it is also easily explained as a more reasonable action.
The bottom line is when you are in law enforcement , you have to use all legal and constitutional means available at your disposal. Sometimes people don't like it if it happens to them but that is how it works. The criminals have no regard for the rules so LE has to stretch them as far as they can as long as they stay within the boundaries and don't break them.
Call Mark Rouleu and ask him if it is OK if you doubt me.
How many people think it is wrong to tell a bald faced lie to a suspect during interrogation? The Supreme Court says no problem at all, it is just an investigative tool.
Lord, please help us get our nation straightened out.
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Re: Weird encounter with a game warden
[Re: jmj120]
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04/20/15 06:24 AM
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Jawbone's contention that the officer should assume the property lost or assume a crime has been committed with no prior report of such, would be shredded in court by a competent attorney. You are very wrong my friend! The officer will contend that he was not assuming anything, but he was investigating the situation. Any court in America will say that is reasonable. A parked 4 wheeler in the woods during turkey season is a "situation"? Horsecrap.  On private property I always leave the key in my wheeler, damn fine place for it. Won't get lost unless a GW comes by and takes it. Like I said before, JA's wheeler wasn't lost or stolen, he knew right where he parked it.
"Why do you ask"?
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Re: Weird encounter with a game warden
[Re: JA]
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04/20/15 06:24 AM
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If, in fact he didn't have a gun, he was not a working GW.
Lord, please help us get our nation straightened out.
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Re: Weird encounter with a game warden
[Re: jawbone]
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04/20/15 06:29 AM
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bill
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Keep in mind ATVs in AL have no registration so checking to see if they are stolen from down in the woods is no easy matter. Also keep in mind I've been playing the devil's advocate in giving you why a complaint would be useless. Sure taking the keys was pretextual to keep the hunter from leaving, but it is also easily explained as a more reasonable action.
The bottom line is when you are in law enforcement , you have to use all legal and constitutional means available at your disposal. Sometimes people don't like it if it happens to them but that is how it works. The criminals have no regard for the rules so LE has to stretch them as far as they can as long as they stay within the boundaries and don't break them.
Call Mark Rouleu and ask him if it is OK if you doubt me.
How many people think it is wrong to tell a bald faced lie to a suspect during interrogation? The Supreme Court says no problem at all, it is just an investigative tool. The Constitution doesn't guarantee the right to the truth but it does guarantee the right to be free from illegal seizure of personal property not suspected in the use of a crime. I don't have to call anyone to know my rights since the Constitution lays them out very clearly so as to protect citizens from overzealous law enforcement and government.
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Re: Weird encounter with a game warden
[Re: jawbone]
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04/20/15 06:40 AM
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Call Mark Rouleu and ask him if it is OK if you doubt me. That may not prove anything. Heck, he thought that you couldn't kill but one bobcat a day and he said he wrote the law. That was a funny day. He got alot of ribbing that day and still does. Lol
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Re: Weird encounter with a game warden
[Re: N2TRKYS]
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04/20/15 06:41 AM
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Call Mark Rouleu and ask him if it is OK if you doubt me. That may not prove anything. Heck, he thought that you couldn't kill but one bobcat a day and he said he wrote the law. That was a funny day. He got alot of ribbing that day and still does. Lol Now he sounds like a reliable source.... 
Before you embark on a journey of revenge, dig two graves...
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Re: Weird encounter with a game warden
[Re: jawbone]
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04/20/15 06:49 AM
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If, in fact he didn't have a gun, he was not a working GW. Based upon the story told here, I feel very confident that Jinright was not working without his duty belt and uniform. My guess is that his turkey vest and shotgun where leaned up against a tree somewhere close by and he wanted to see who had come in on the four wheeler.
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Re: Weird encounter with a game warden
[Re: Tru-Talker]
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04/20/15 06:49 AM
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Call Mark Rouleu and ask him if it is OK if you doubt me. That may not prove anything. Heck, he thought that you couldn't kill but one bobcat a day and he said he wrote the law. That was a funny day. He got alot of ribbing that day and still does. Lol Now he sounds like a reliable source.... I don't know who the guy is but law enforcement are the last people I'd ask what my rights are. I'm not saying all of them are bad but there are enough that I'm not rolling the dice and trusting them to tell me the truth or even be aware of those constitutional protections.
"Political debate: when charlatans come together to discuss their principles"
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Re: Weird encounter with a game warden
[Re: Tru-Talker]
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04/20/15 06:54 AM
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Call Mark Rouleu and ask him if it is OK if you doubt me. That may not prove anything. Heck, he thought that you couldn't kill but one bobcat a day and he said he wrote the law. That was a funny day. He got alot of ribbing that day and still does. Lol Now he sounds like a reliable source.... He would the the person that a complaint would work its way up to or down to depending on who recieved the complaint. Bill, you don't have to know a crime has been committed to act. The courts grant pretty lenient leeway to investigate whether a crime has been committed or not. Sorry you don't like it, but no way is seizing control of what could be considered an abandoned ATV for investigative purposes going to be considered a constitutional violation.
Lord, please help us get our nation straightened out.
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Re: Weird encounter with a game warden
[Re: jawbone]
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04/20/15 07:04 AM
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Call Mark Rouleu and ask him if it is OK if you doubt me. That may not prove anything. Heck, he thought that you couldn't kill but one bobcat a day and he said he wrote the law. That was a funny day. He got alot of ribbing that day and still does. Lol Now he sounds like a reliable source.... He would the the person that a complaint would work its way up to or down to depending on who recieved the complaint. Bill, you don't have to know a crime has been committed to act. The courts grant pretty lenient leeway to investigate whether a crime has been committed or not. Sorry you don't like it, but no way is seizing control of what could be considered an abandoned ATV for investigative purposes going to be considered a constitutional violation. I didn't say you had to know a crime was committed. In front of a court I believe a good lawyer would make quick work of any officer going off of such a weak premise. An officer might give himself a lot of leeway that the Constitution and courts don't see the same way. Happens all the time.
"Political debate: when charlatans come together to discuss their principles"
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Re: Weird encounter with a game warden
[Re: JA]
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04/20/15 07:06 AM
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bunch of whiney arses up in HEAH!
There is 2 different high fence. 1 small and one big! Mine was free range in the big pen and was not a breeder buck. Why does it have to be twisted around??
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Re: Weird encounter with a game warden
[Re: Dkhargroves]
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04/20/15 07:08 AM
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bunch of whiney arses up in HEAH! Well don't be a chicken chit, tell everybody what side your on.
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Re: Weird encounter with a game warden
[Re: JA]
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04/20/15 07:10 AM
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In a Van, down by the River
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This is the reason I hunt by horseback.
Life is a journey. Make sure and bring plenty of Beer.
My luck has been so bad lately, it could be raining pussies and I'd catch one with a dick broke off in it.
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Re: Weird encounter with a game warden
[Re: jawbone]
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04/20/15 07:24 AM
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Call Mark Rouleu and ask him if it is OK if you doubt me. That may not prove anything. Heck, he thought that you couldn't kill but one bobcat a day and he said he wrote the law. That was a funny day. He got alot of ribbing that day and still does. Lol Now he sounds like a reliable source.... He would the the person that a complaint would work its way up to or down to depending on who recieved the complaint. Bill, you don't have to know a crime has been committed to act. The courts grant pretty lenient leeway to investigate whether a crime has been committed or not. Sorry you don't like it, but no way is seizing control of what could be considered an abandoned ATV for investigative purposes going to be considered a constitutional violation. An ATV with fresh tracks, a warm engine, in the woods during turkey season constitutes investigation of a crime. Again... HORSECRAP
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Re: Weird encounter with a game warden
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04/20/15 07:28 AM
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bunch of whiney arses up in HEAH! Well don't be a chicken chit, tell everybody what side your on. I would need bail money, happy now?
There is 2 different high fence. 1 small and one big! Mine was free range in the big pen and was not a breeder buck. Why does it have to be twisted around??
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Re: Weird encounter with a game warden
[Re: Dkhargroves]
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04/20/15 07:35 AM
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bunch of whiney arses up in HEAH! Well don't be a chicken chit, tell everybody what side your on. I would need bail money, happy now? Not right at this minute but I'm not unhappy either...kinda 50-50. I was pretty happy last night around 10 when me and the GF, well I was happy around 10 and leave it at that. Don't fear the bail money, this place has raised money for dog operations....we can round up some bail money.
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Re: Weird encounter with a game warden
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04/20/15 07:36 AM
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bunch of whiney arses up in HEAH! Well don't be a chicken chit, tell everybody what side your on. I would need bail money, happy now? Not right at this minute but I'm not unhappy either...kinda 50-50. I was pretty happy last night around 10 when me and the GF, well I was happy around 10 and leave it at that. Don't fear the bail money, this place has raised money for dog operations....we can round up some bail money.
There is 2 different high fence. 1 small and one big! Mine was free range in the big pen and was not a breeder buck. Why does it have to be twisted around??
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Re: Weird encounter with a game warden
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04/20/15 07:44 AM
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This is the reason I hunt by horseback. Don't leave the key in yer horse
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