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Re: Weird encounter with a game warden
[Re: Reyn]
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04/21/15 02:19 AM
04/21/15 02:19 AM
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Abram
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Keep in mind ATVs in AL have no registration so checking to see if they are stolen from down in the woods is no easy matter. Also keep in mind I've been playing the devil's advocate in giving you why a complaint would be useless. Sure taking the keys was pretextual to keep the hunter from leaving, but it is also easily explained as a more reasonable action.
The bottom line is when you are in law enforcement , you have to use all legal and constitutional means available at your disposal. Sometimes people don't like it if it happens to them but that is how it works. The criminals have no regard for the rules so LE has to stretch them as far as they can as long as they stay within the boundaries and don't break them.
Call Mark Rouleu and ask him if it is OK if you doubt me.
How many people think it is wrong to tell a bald faced lie to a suspect during interrogation? The Supreme Court says no problem at all, it is just an investigative tool. I think it is very wrong for LE to lie to a suspect. LE is using a falsehood to obtain a truth. If we as citizens lie to LE it is called perjury and is punishable by jail time isn't it? No, citizens lie to police everyday. Every call they go on has two or three sides to a story. Look at Ferguson and the witness statements. Go to any domestic or neighbor confrontation and they all have a different story. People pulled over for traffic violations lie. I didn't see the stop sign, I wasn't speeding etc. LEOs hear far more lies than they dish out. That's why they become cynical as do most folks working in a job that deals with folks in a similar capacity. Maybe I wasn't clear. It is perfectly legal for LE office to lie to a citizen to obtain info but illegal for a citizen to lie to a LE officer, do you see a problem with that? I do. As for being cynical perhaps those people should look into changing careers, just my humble opinion.
But who prays for Satan? Who, in eighteen centuries, has had the common humanity to pray for the one sinner that needed it most?
Mark Twain
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Re: Weird encounter with a game warden
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04/21/15 03:07 AM
04/21/15 03:07 AM
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Monroe Co.,Al
gobblebox
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I would really like to see his explanation of proable cause. He thought the 4 wheeler was stolen? really? thats what youre going with?
THE THIEF HAD THE KEYS TOO????? REALLY?
If it was stolen the ignition would be ripped out.
Thieves dont steal the darn keys too. That argument has NO LOGIC and would hold NO MERIT!
A straw argument..being made to defend a fellow LEO...which I understand..but baseless and not grounded in fact.
It would NEVER hold up in a court of law.
I agree the GW was in the wrong but just because the ignition wasn't ripped out doesn't mean it wasn't stolen,a lot of things are stolen because they have the keys in them and are easier to steal
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Re: Weird encounter with a game warden
[Re: JA]
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04/21/15 04:18 AM
04/21/15 04:18 AM
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Reyn
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Maybe I wasn't clear. It is perfectly legal for LE office to lie to a citizen to obtain info but illegal for a citizen to lie to a LE officer, do you see a problem with that? I do. As for being cynical perhaps those people should look into changing careers, just my humble opinion It seemed clear to me. Citizens lie to cops all the time. I dont understand where you think its illegal.If they lie in court then they can face perjury but on the street during investigations it happens daily. I have no problem with an LEO using tactics to seek the truth.If i tell a suspect we have a fingerprint and he gets angry and responds with "thats impossible, i was wearing gloves" (this has happened)then i dont have a problem with it. If i was on the opposite end then i would call the LEO on it.
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Re: Weird encounter with a game warden
[Re: JayHook]
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04/21/15 04:42 AM
04/21/15 04:42 AM
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Jerry would ALMOST break a smile if he knew he had stirred up so much by doing so little!! And might even do it again!!! Having hunted, fished and umpired with him while I was in college I can assure you...if it was Jerry he had a gun and the "you heard any gobble" question... he already knew the answer to that just needed to open the conversation on a low key! Carry on... It's really great to know that those dollars are being spent on the GW so they can stir things up, great use of resources!!
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Re: Weird encounter with a game warden
[Re: Reyn]
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04/21/15 04:53 AM
04/21/15 04:53 AM
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Shelby County
Abram
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Maybe I wasn't clear. It is perfectly legal for LE office to lie to a citizen to obtain info but illegal for a citizen to lie to a LE officer, do you see a problem with that? I do. As for being cynical perhaps those people should look into changing careers, just my humble opinion It seemed clear to me. Citizens lie to cops all the time. I dont understand where you think its illegal.If they lie in court then they can face perjury but on the street during investigations it happens daily. I have no problem with an LEO using tactics to seek the truth.If i tell a suspect we have a fingerprint and he gets angry and responds with "thats impossible, i was wearing gloves" (this has happened)then i dont have a problem with it. If i was on the opposite end then i would call the LEO on it. That is my point Reyn, according to the LE people I spoke with if you lie to a cop during in investigation then it is considered perjury, do you agree? if so then why can someone in LE lie to a citizen and it is perfectly legal? The ends do not always justify the means. In this day and age calling a cop on anything might get you shot by an overzealous trigger happy idiot on a power trip.
But who prays for Satan? Who, in eighteen centuries, has had the common humanity to pray for the one sinner that needed it most?
Mark Twain
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Re: Weird encounter with a game warden
[Re: Fuzzy_Bunny]
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04/21/15 06:55 AM
04/21/15 06:55 AM
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Round ‘bout there
Clem
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Tell us more about your horse.
Must be a slutty filly.
"Hunting Politics are stupid!" - Farm Hunter
"Bible says you shouldn't put sugar in your cornbread." Dustin, 2013
"Best I can figure 97.365% of the general public is a paint chip eating, mouth breathing, certified dumbass." BCLC, 2020
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Re: Weird encounter with a game warden
[Re: turkey247]
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04/21/15 06:58 AM
04/21/15 06:58 AM
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Round ‘bout there
Clem
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Has anyone even questioned the "why would the GW possibly compromise the hunt, without probable cause of any kind" scenario?
I've read what the OP wrote - what if he had roosted a bird, parked strategically, walked close to the bird way before daylight, to get to a likely fly down spot. I've done it and go in early. And then as light starts coming, there's a GW.
Now that is bush league!! GW doing his job legitimately and "busts" my hunt for deer, turkeys, ducks or whatever, or a Marine Police boat pulling up while I'm fishing to check? I don't mind. They're doing their jobs. Yeah, it may "bust" a hunt but I'd rather them be doing their jobs than not. That's not bush league, either. It's what GWs do when they're doing their jobs. Their job isn't to make sure a hunt is successful.
"Hunting Politics are stupid!" - Farm Hunter
"Bible says you shouldn't put sugar in your cornbread." Dustin, 2013
"Best I can figure 97.365% of the general public is a paint chip eating, mouth breathing, certified dumbass." BCLC, 2020
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Re: Weird encounter with a game warden
[Re: centralala]
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04/21/15 07:51 AM
04/21/15 07:51 AM
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Your mom’s house
doekiller
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Doekiller, you haven't given your professional opinion on "IF" the GW took the key to keep the guy from leaving, is that some kind of violation in itself?? And I will not do so. I don't give legal opinions or interpretations any longer. To many others seem to know more than me.
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Re: Weird encounter with a game warden
[Re: shooters]
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04/21/15 08:25 AM
04/21/15 08:25 AM
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I know its a felony to use a fake badge. But is it a felony to have an old Police Detectives Badge? It is a misdemeanor crime of Impersonating a Public Servant if you identify yourself as a law enforcement officer. It is only a felony crime of Impersonating a Police Officer if you do a "law enforcement act", such as trying to pull a car over or checking someone's hunting license.
Lord, please help us get our nation straightened out.
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Re: Weird encounter with a game warden
[Re: jawbone]
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04/21/15 08:34 AM
04/21/15 08:34 AM
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shooters
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I know its a felony to use a fake badge. But is it a felony to have an old Police Detectives Badge? It is a misdemeanor crime of Impersonating a Public Servant if you identify yourself as a law enforcement officer. It is only a felony crime of Impersonating a Police Officer if you do a "law enforcement act", such as trying to pull a car over or checking someone's hunting license. I would never try to use it. But I have an old badge, left in the back seat of my Tahoe buy a female detective several years ago. I guess she got a new one because I found it about a month ago when I clean out my vehicle to sell. Quess It had been back there for a least 2 or 3 years. Wounder what a detective says to their superiors when they loose a badge??? 
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Re: Weird encounter with a game warden
[Re: shooters]
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04/21/15 08:38 AM
04/21/15 08:38 AM
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Fayetteville TN Via Selma
jawbone
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I know its a felony to use a fake badge. But is it a felony to have an old Police Detectives Badge? It is a misdemeanor crime of Impersonating a Public Servant if you identify yourself as a law enforcement officer. It is only a felony crime of Impersonating a Police Officer if you do a "law enforcement act", such as trying to pull a car over or checking someone's hunting license. I would never try to use it. But I have an old badge, left in the back seat of my Tahoe buy a female detective several years ago. I guess she got a new one because I found it about a month ago when I clean out my vehicle to sell. Quess It had been back there for a least 2 or 3 years. Wounder what a detective says to their superiors when they loose a badge??? It has happened to several coworkers. First time offense is usually a letter in your file and you have to buy the replacement. That is why the ID card to accompany the badge is so important. Not that you should try to sell it, because technically it is the property of the department it came from, but there is a big collectors market for real police badges. I always wanted to start a collection but real ones are too hard to come by.
Lord, please help us get our nation straightened out.
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Re: Weird encounter with a game warden
[Re: jawbone]
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04/21/15 08:41 AM
04/21/15 08:41 AM
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I would never try to use it. But I have an old badge, left in the back seat of my Tahoe buy a female detective several years ago. I guess she got a new one because I found it about a month ago when I clean out my vehicle to sell. Quess It had been back there for a least 2 or 3 years. Wounder what a detective says to their superiors when they loose a badge??? grin Got any pics of this female detective that was "in your back seat"? 
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