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Re: Throw n' Mow Tutorial
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05/29/15 03:37 PM
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My corn sunflowers and grain sorghum will need topdressing with urea once it dries out enough to get over it. How many units of urea should I put out CNC? I don’t give a damn how much you use…..I’m experimenting with using legumes such as clover, vetch, and winter peas to produce N. I’m periodically adding small doses of synthetic N to help the field “jump”. Do my plants look N deficient?
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Re: Throw n' Mow Tutorial
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If you're just wanting to provide biomass, then why pay to plant anything? Exactly…..What I’m doing right now is just experimenting to show what is possible. The only thing though is that you can grow durana (and others) clover during the summer for little more than adding a couple lbs of seed to your fall mix every few years. Hairy vetch is the same way. The vetch in my field now is from some I threw into the fall mix two years ago. Most folks could probably attract deer to their plots during the summer with weeds alone. The clover just sweetens the pot a little from an attraction standpoint. What the clover and vetch really provide you though are N producers to drive the growth of the other plants in the field. Your legumes are major drivers of the nutrient cycle.
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Re: Throw n' Mow Tutorial
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05/29/15 03:51 PM
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My sunn hemp is up to a fine stand only after being planted 4 days. Have you planted sunn hemp yet since it's the primo in providing biomass? I see you're list but you don't mention this one?
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Re: Throw n' Mow Tutorial
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05/29/15 04:10 PM
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How often do you fertilize and how much do you put out? Have you done your soil test recently?
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Re: Throw n' Mow Tutorial
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05/29/15 04:11 PM
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Depends on what the next crop is doesn't it and how many N credits you're giving your terminated crop. You do realize that to grab full N credit a legume has to fully nodulate and fixate don't you?
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Re: Throw n' Mow Tutorial
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05/29/15 04:37 PM
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How often do you fertilize and how much do you put out? Have you done your soil test recently? I’ve been adding 50 lbs/ac of 33-0-0 about every 3 months. I added a bag at fall planting last year…..one around Christmas…….one during March when the rye started actively growing…..and now I’ll likely add one more around mid June when my summer crop gets up a little better. My soil is really sandy with a low CEC so its better to throw out smaller amounts more often anyways. On the other nutrients I just go by the soil test. Yes I just got my soil tested a couple weeks ago. Not really a whole lot of change from last fall. My Ca was still rising slightly from last fall's test. It was up another 50 lbs/ac. Lime added 15 months ago. The K had fallen off from 210 lbs to 155 lbs but the test still didn’t call for adding any. The P was slightly low so I went ahead and mixed in 50 lbs of 0-46-0 with the seed I threw out. The crazy thing was that even though my Ca was still rising….my pH had actually dropped slightly. Still in the mid 5’s. The test was calling for adding another ton of lime. I’ll may mow at some point this summer and double crop the biomass. If I do I may throw out a little palletized lime mixed with 50 lbs of 0-0-60……positively + charged ions. My test will most likely call for K later this fall anyways.
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Re: Throw n' Mow Tutorial
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05/29/15 04:46 PM
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Dang your ph is low. Why not just go ahead and put a ton of lime to the acre. Bump it up in larger increments that Pel lime will do? You invest so much time and effort in thatch. I bet if you put a half ton every year you'd be in great shape with your biomass.
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Re: Throw n' Mow Tutorial
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05/29/15 04:49 PM
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How often do you fertilize and how much do you put out? Have you done your soil test recently? I’ve been adding 50 lbs/ac of 33-0-0 about every 3 months. I added a bag at fall planting last year…..one around Christmas…….one during March when the rye started actively growing…..and now I’ll likely add one more around mid June when my summer crop gets up a little better. My soil is really sandy with a low CEC so its better to throw out smaller amounts more often anyways. On the other nutrients I just go by the soil test. Yes I just got my soil tested a couple weeks ago. Not really a whole lot of change from last fall. My Ca was still rising slightly from last fall's test. It was up another 50 lbs/ac. Lime added 15 months ago. The K had fallen off from 210 lbs to 155 lbs but the test still didn’t call for adding any. The P was slightly low so I went ahead and mixed in 50 lbs of 0-46-0 with the seed I threw out. The crazy thing was that even though my Ca was still rising….my pH had actually dropped slightly. Still in the mid 5’s. The test was calling for adding another ton of lime. I’ll may mow at some point this summer and double crop the biomass. If I do I may throw out a little palletized lime mixed with 50 lbs of 0-0-60……positively + charged ions. My test will most likely call for K later this fall anyways. Dang, your ph is pretty low. That's what ours was 3 seasons ago. We had never limed before. We added lime and brought it up to 7. It's stayed that way for 2 years. This will be the third year, but I haven't sent in a soil test, yet. I have to let our plots dry out, first.
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Re: Throw n' Mow Tutorial
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05/29/15 05:10 PM
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Dang your ph is low. Why not just go ahead and put a ton of lime to the acre. I just don’t really want to fugg with going to get a lime buggy. Actually, I can still see bigger chunks of lime in my soil. I suppose the gradual break down of those larger pieces of lime is what is still bringing my Ca up. It was at 300 lbs per acre when I added 2 tons of lime last spring. It came up to 900 lbs per acre by fall and up another 50 lbs by this spring. I ‘m thinking about just adding a little pelletized lime this summer and a little more this fall. The fall in my K as well as the natural fluctuation in pH is what I think probably made the pH fall slightly. The real test will be another year from now….or the year after that…..Where is my Ca then? Will it be back down to 300 lbs or will it be holding steady? Before I touched this field with a disk years ago…the first soil test I had done showed a pH of 6.8 with Ca over 1,000 lbs/ac. Even if you are going to use a disk then there is only a need to slightly disturb the soil. Plowing the hell out of the soil with burn up all of the OM just as I did to my field.
Last edited by CNC; 05/29/15 05:11 PM.
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Re: Throw n' Mow Tutorial
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05/29/15 05:14 PM
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We're naturally P derived up here in these silt soils. I put my $$$ toward 18-46-0 and lime. It's my biggest return for results.
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Re: Throw n' Mow Tutorial
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05/29/15 05:15 PM
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Dang, your ph is pretty low. If you dig down in my soil to around 8-12 inches the pH is 5.0....That soil runs down to a depth of 50 inches before it hits a clay layer. Even then its a sandy type clay. It's the pH in my upper horizon of OM that I'm really effecting. That black layer that you see in my soil profile pics.
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Re: Throw n' Mow Tutorial
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05/29/15 05:18 PM
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Dang, your ph is pretty low. If you dig down in my soil to around 8-12 inches the pH is 5.0....That soil runs down to a depth of 50 inches before it hits a clay layer. Even then its a sandy type clay. It's the pH in my upper horizon of OM that I'm really effecting. That black layer that you see in my soil profile pics. Why did you dig down 8-10" to send off for a soil test?
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Re: Throw n' Mow Tutorial
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05/29/15 05:19 PM
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I think this sunn hemp is gonna be the real deal. I like what I see so far. I put down 250 lbs of 17-17-17 per acre and 15lbs of seed.
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Re: Throw n' Mow Tutorial
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05/29/15 05:34 PM
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Why did you dig down 8-10" to send off for a soil test? To compare the pH and nutrient levels in my upper horizon where I’ve built up the OM versus the “subsoil” with no OM……… 
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Re: Throw n' Mow Tutorial
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05/29/15 05:35 PM
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I think this sunn hemp is gonna be the real deal. I like what I see so far. I put down 250 lbs of 17-17-17 per acre and 15lbs of seed. Its $100 a bag though….. 
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Re: Throw n' Mow Tutorial
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05/29/15 05:43 PM
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A bag plants 3.5 acres though. $30 an acre for seed is not high. You need to look at it as investment in your biomass not a cost of $100 per bag.
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Re: Throw n' Mow Tutorial
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Why did you dig down 8-10" to send off for a soil test? To compare the pH and nutrient levels in my upper horizon where I’ve built up the OM versus the “subsoil” with no OM……… Why is your ph still so low?
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Re: Throw n' Mow Tutorial
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CNC, I don't think anybody is saying your way "Won't" work. I just think they are saying don't cram it down thier throat, that this is the best way. Yoh have took some simple ??? And made them complicated. You are try to argue with someone, who makes his sole living doing this. He's not saying your way is wrong. Your just trying to say your way is better. Imo. That's hiw I'm reading this. And yiur taking some comments like a puss, and blowing them out of proportion. Just the way It seems to me.
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Re: Throw n' Mow Tutorial
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05/30/15 03:27 AM
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CNC, I don't think anybody is saying your way "Won't" work. I just think they are saying don't cram it down thier throat, that this is the best way. Yoh have took some simple ??? And made them complicated. You are try to argue with someone, who makes his sole living doing this. He's not saying your way is wrong. Your just trying to say your way is better. Imo. That's hiw I'm reading this. And yiur taking some comments like a puss, and blowing them out of proportion. Just the way It seems to me. If anything is being crammed down your throat then its because you keep coming back to this thread and sticking it in your mouth…..Thanks for your analysis of the situation though……257 makes a living selling “inputs”. The more inputs you guys are using….the more 257 is selling…..the less inputs you are using…..the less he is selling.
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