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Re: Throw n' Mow Tutorial [Re: CNC] #1364319
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257……I’ve got a little bit of ragweed here and there coming in. Would it bother you to have some ragweed in your dove field?


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Ragweed yes. Croton no. Reason being common and giant ragweed are now being documented as RR resistant in Midwest states. I don't want to chance it becoming that way here. Palmer pigweed and marestail are bad enough.


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Re: Throw n' Mow Tutorial [Re: 257wbymag] #1364410
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Originally Posted By: 257wbymag
Ragweed yes. Croton no. Reason being common and giant ragweed are now being documented as RR resistant in Midwest states. I don't want to chance it becoming that way here. Palmer pigweed and marestail are bad enough.


I was reading that ragweed seed is 47% crude protein and the plant itself is 25%. I also read that it’s a major food source of both mourning dove and quail….as well as being on the preferred food list of deer too. If I were managing for wildlife and not row crops….wouldn’t I be happy to see a plant like this growing in my fields? Why spend the money to plant sunflowers if ragweed will do the same thing for free? Just posing a question.

So far my other plants are growing amongst the ragweed in the places where it’s coming in. It’s mostly some encroachment around the edges. ….We’ll see how things progress and if the cowpeas can vine on the ragweed.



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Man you read way too much and don't believe everything you read. But if you're so hard up to grow ragweed we'll have at it. Not real hard to grow it. It grows about anywhere. And don't run a sunflower down comparing it to ragweed. Not anywhere in the same category.

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Re: Throw n' Mow Tutorial [Re: 257wbymag] #1364499
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Originally Posted By: 257wbymag
And don't run a sunflower down comparing it to ragweed. Not anywhere in the same category.


What category is that?….growth rate?….browse tolerance?……seed production?……nutritional value?…..attractiveness?…..cost to grow?

Sunflowers aren’t really much of an option to grow down here …..too many deer. Maybe if you had a really large field you might be able to get some to grow.


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And don't run a sunflower down comparing it to ragweed. Not anywhere in the same category.


What category is that?….growth rate?….browse tolerance?……seed production?……nutritional value?…..attractiveness?…..cost to grow?

Sunflowers aren’t really much of an option to grow down here …..too many deer. Maybe if you had a really large field you might be able to get some to grow.


I've got a small test plot of sunflowers growing in the backyard and can't get the deer to eat them. Not sure what's up with that.

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I planted a bit over 8 acres of sunflowers. Gotta figure in some to deer loss.


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Originally Posted By: Joe4majors
I've got a small test plot of sunflowers growing in the backyard and can't get the deer to eat them. Not sure what's up with that.


You can rest assure that your deer aren't hurting for anything to eat right now then. Sunflowers are tough to grow for a lot of folks because they get wiped out before they can produce. They're not overly browse tolerant either. I had them put back out after browsing last year but they were just quickly browsed again and eventually bit the dust. Give it some time. When it starts getting a little hotter and drier....and native spring forage begins to harden off...then the deer will very likely turn to the sunflowers. They may get wiped out within 5-7 days if the plot is small. Deer density is going to play a role as well.

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Re: Throw n' Mow Tutorial [Re: CNC] #1364727
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Originally Posted By: 257wbymag
Ragweed yes. Croton no. Reason being common and giant ragweed are now being documented as RR resistant in Midwest states. I don't want to chance it becoming that way here. Palmer pigweed and marestail are bad enough.


I was reading that ragweed seed is 47% crude protein and the plant itself is 25%. I also read that it’s a major food source of both mourning dove and quail….as well as being on the preferred food list of deer too. If I were managing for wildlife and not row crops….wouldn’t I be happy to see a plant like this growing in my fields? Why spend the money to plant sunflowers if ragweed will do the same thing for free? Just posing a question.

So far my other plants are growing amongst the ragweed in the places where it’s coming in. It’s mostly some encroachment around the edges. ….We’ll see how things progress and if the cowpeas can vine on the ragweed.





What part of the ragweed are the doves and quail eating?


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Originally Posted By: N2TRKYS


What part of the ragweed are the doves and quail eating?


The seed....


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What part of the ragweed are the doves and quail eating?


The seed....



If it's on the preferred list for deer and your density is high, wouldn't it be in the same boat as the sunflowers?


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Re: Throw n' Mow Tutorial [Re: CNC] #1364758
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Oh great so now I'm sure we get to hear grandstanding for ragweed for weeks to come. How come grant woods isn't recommending ragweed???


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Re: Throw n' Mow Tutorial [Re: N2TRKYS] #1364779
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Originally Posted By: N2TRKYS
If it's on the preferred list for deer and your density is high, wouldn't it be in the same boat as the sunflowers?


Not really an issue with ragweed. Another good attribute is ike 257 was saying…it will grow just about anywhere and thrive on poor soil. This can be a great benefit when you’re also trying to produce biomass on crappy soils.



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Deer browsing ragweed……….



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Re: Throw n' Mow Tutorial [Re: 257wbymag] #1364781
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Originally Posted By: 257wbymag
Oh great so now I'm sure we get to hear grandstanding for ragweed for weeks to come. How come grant woods isn't recommending ragweed???


I’m just trying to show that wildlife food plot management doesn’t have to be row cropping….. smile


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I think I'd just concentrate on fertilizing my honeysuckle and forbs and eliminate invasive weed species.


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I don't think I've ever seen ragweed mowed down by deer anywhere. I've seen them nip the top out of a few, but not like something that is planted(regardless of the method) for the deer.


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Fertilized yesterday. 1" of rain so far today. It's all good!


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Damn deer done figured out what my summer plantings mean. Them Heifers done started hitting my plots pretty hard now. They wearing out my buckwheat and sunflowers quick. I fertilized again today I need some more rain now.


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Originally Posted By: Turkey_neck
Damn deer done figured out what my summer plantings mean. Them Heifers done started hitting my plots pretty hard now. They wearing out my buckwheat and sunflowers quick. I fertilized again today I need some more rain now.


Yep....It usually doesn't take long. Not sure what's going on with mine. So far I'm just seeing minimal browsing pressure. I'm shaking off loads of peaches on the ground each day though so that may be helping to keep them occupied with something a little "sweeter" than my plot.


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Sho' nuff gettin the rain this evening....... thumbup


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