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Re: Throw n' Mow Tutorial [Re: CNC] #1373120
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No I'm not I dont feel the need to second guess them. I wasn't pointedly asking you I was asking in general. Cause heck I could just sit back and let my place grow up in weeds if that's the case. But I just don't feel like that's the right thing to do.

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Re: Throw n' Mow Tutorial [Re: 257wbymag] #1373127
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Originally Posted By: 257wbymag
No I'm not I dont feel the need to second guess them. I wasn't pointedly asking you I was asking in general. Cause heck I could just sit back and let my place grow up in weeds if that's the case. But I just don't feel like that's the right thing to do.


That’s what most of the landowners around me are using the vast majority of their acreage to grow. Isn’t “weed” production one of the major reasons for prescribed burning?


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Re: Throw n' Mow Tutorial [Re: CNC] #1373144
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No I'm not I dont feel the need to second guess them. I wasn't pointedly asking you I was asking in general. Cause heck I could just sit back and let my place grow up in weeds if that's the case. But I just don't feel like that's the right thing to do.


That’s what most of the landowners around me are using the vast majority of their acreage to grow. Isn’t “weed” production one of the major reasons for prescribed burning?



You do prescribed burning in your foodplots? Have you posted pics of it?


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Re: Throw n' Mow Tutorial [Re: CNC] #1373235
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Weeds are gonna pull their carbohydrates and energy back into their root system during drought and stress periods. Like during July & August. The annual crops we plant do not. They have one short season to live and they express 100% of their potential regardless of environmental conditions. Of course they do better with optimal nutrients and moisture, but they will still give it their all and express their potential regardless of conditions. That's why we plant summer forages instead of counting on volunteer weeds. Look at those same fields in 4-6 weeks. Perinenial weeds & clovers will be hard as a dry stick as they conserve their resources to live another year. Planted annuals will still be giving 100% providing more protein to deer during the critical fawning, milk producing, and antler growth period

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Is anybody intentionally growing this stuff? Sida Acuta otherwise known as Tea weed or Sweet Tea.

Saw another post about it and am getting curious about it combined with clover for a gas line cutting through hardwoods. Looks to be almost ready made for throw and mow.


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Re: Throw n' Mow Tutorial [Re: RiverWood] #1373302
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Originally Posted By: RiverWood
Weeds are gonna pull their carbohydrates and energy back into their root system during drought and stress periods. Like during July & August. The annual crops we plant do not. They have one short season to live and they express 100% of their potential regardless of environmental conditions. Of course they do better with optimal nutrients and moisture, but they will still give it their all and express their potential regardless of conditions. That's why we plant summer forages instead of counting on volunteer weeds. Look at those same fields in 4-6 weeks. Perinenial weeds & clovers will be hard as a dry stick as they conserve their resources to live another year. Planted annuals will still be giving 100% providing more protein to deer during the critical fawning, milk producing, and antler growth period


Good stuff Riverwood…… smile

The whole discussion of herd health or nutritional value, etc is really a moot point for the vast majority of food plotters on here. The average food plotter is dealing with an acre here or a half acre there….sometimes we might have a “big” field that’s 2-3 acres. In most of those situations there just isn’t the capability to grow enough forage to have any measurable effect on the deer herd. You’re not going to go into the woods and the bucks all have an extra 10 inches of antlers or the does all dropping twins, etc because we planted 2 acres of soybeans. That’s really a moot point in itself though because for most food plotters in this situation….they won’t ever even be able to produce that forage to begin with. If I was in your situation Riverwood I would look at it differently but your situation is really an anomaly when addressing the masses.

I’m going to mow in another few weeks to set back succession on the “weeds” so that they shoot out a flush of new, tender growth. This will also double crop the field so to speak. Weeds may be all I have left at that point.



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Re: Throw n' Mow Tutorial [Re: N2TRKYS] #1373309
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Originally Posted By: N2TRKYS
You do prescribed burning in your foodplots? Have you posted pics of it?


Are you asking have I burned the test field or have I ever burned a food plot in general?

No on the test field but here's an example of one I have and what it would likely look like. The downside is that you are losing a lot of your OM to combustion........





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Originally Posted By: CatHeadBiscuit
Is anybody intentionally growing this stuff? Sida Acuta otherwise known as Tea weed or Sweet Tea.

Saw another post about it and am getting curious about it combined with clover for a gas line cutting through hardwoods. Looks to be almost ready made for throw and mow.


I haven't heard much about it.....I'll have to look it up.


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Re: Throw n' Mow Tutorial [Re: CNC] #1373316
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You do prescribed burning in your foodplots? Have you posted pics of it?


Are you asking have I burned the test field or have I ever burned a food plot in general?

No on the test field but here's an example of one I have and what it would likely look like. The downside is that you are losing a lot of your OM to combustion........






If you're not disking, why burn your fields?


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Originally Posted By: CNC
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Is anybody intentionally growing this stuff? Sida Acuta otherwise known as Tea weed or Sweet Tea.

Saw another post about it and am getting curious about it combined with clover for a gas line cutting through hardwoods. Looks to be almost ready made for throw and mow.


I haven't heard much about it.....I'll have to look it up.

I've got some buddies trying it now I'll let y'all know before to long.


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Originally Posted By: CNC
I’m going to mow in another few weeks to set back succession on the “weeds” so that they shoot out a flush of new, tender growth.




How many of your planted species do you have to mow to keep the deer eating them?


How are your fields at your hunting club doing with this method? Any updates on those plots?


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Re: Throw n' Mow Tutorial [Re: N2TRKYS] #1373540
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Originally Posted By: N2TRKYS
How many of your planted species do you have to mow to keep the deer eating them?


How are your fields at your hunting club doing with this method? Any updates on those plots?


A few that I can think of right off are: clover, its commonly mowed in the summer……buckwheat, you’re going to have to double crop it somehow to keep it producing otherwise it’s a short lived crop…..sunn hemp, its gets very large and stemmy as the summer goes on if its able to withstand initial browsing. Many folks are mowing it mid summer to be able to better handle the biomass and keep forage fresh……corn, it doesn’t even produce forage during the summer months.

N2T……If you want to compare and contrast the two and form a list of pros and cons then add up all of the inputs that 257 has invested in the crops he has pictured and then compare that to the investments made in a crop of “weeds”. That’s a much more fair comparison than cherry picking individual questions. I’m not out here this weekend spraying herbicide so that the weeds will make it through the summer….I’m not paying $100 per bag for the weeds…..I’m not having to feed the weeds 70 units of additional N…..I’m not having to spray before planting and intensively prep the field to grow the weeds…..I’m not having to have lots of specialized equipment to grow the weeds…..I can go on but you get the point. There’s a lot more to it than just cherry picking individual aspects.

Really my main purpose for mowing though is to double crop the biomass and try to get my whole field evened out and on the same page before fall planting gets here. I think I may even drag my disk across the field with most of the bite taken out to try and stimulate new growth in the areas where my crops have me decimated. That's IF the rain ever returns. This is why I’m going to a more weed and clover based system from the get-go in the future. Trying to grow stuff that just gets decimated is just costing me time, money, and more effort to just eventually arrive at the same destination in the end. I’m just going to skip all the bullchit in the middle from now on.

As far as my hunting club…..I haven’t checked on it in several weeks. The situation there is even more extreme than what I’m dealing with here on my test plot. I haven’t even been able to grow the same type of weeds there yet during the summer. My summer fields last year ended up being mostly dog fennel, black eyed susans, etc….just stuff the deer absolutely would not eat…..everything else in the plot was consumed. Why would I try to bust off with a $1000 worth of summer plantings on those fields when I can’t even grow ragweed on them yet due to deer browsing? We’ve actually already had it attempted and it all it got us was another year behind.

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Re: Throw n' Mow Tutorial [Re: Turkey_neck] #1373554
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Is anybody intentionally growing this stuff? Sida Acuta otherwise known as Tea weed or Sweet Tea.

Saw another post about it and am getting curious about it combined with clover for a gas line cutting through hardwoods. Looks to be almost ready made for throw and mow.


I haven't heard much about it.....I'll have to look it up.

I've got some buddies trying it now I'll let y'all know before to long.


It's better known as Iron Weed and farmers hate it. For me the risk isn't worth the reward to plant it on my own place. In the middle of timberland may be a different story if there are no farms close by. UF did a study on it that you can read about online.

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I do believe that come late December and Jan I will winter more deer on my standing corn that I spend piles of $$ on per acre than marestail teaweed and grass that's been killed by frost at that point. But that's just my opinion I'm sure I'm wrong about that too. And hey CNC I don't have much $$$ put in as you think.


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Originally Posted By: CNC
Originally Posted By: N2TRKYS
How many of your planted species do you have to mow to keep the deer eating them?


How are your fields at your hunting club doing with this method? Any updates on those plots?


A few that I can think of right off are: clover, its commonly mowed in the summer……buckwheat, you’re going to have to double crop it somehow to keep it producing otherwise it’s a short lived crop…..sunn hemp, its gets very large and stemmy as the summer goes on if its able to withstand initial browsing. Many folks are mowing it mid summer to be able to better handle the biomass and keep forage fresh……corn, it doesn’t even produce forage during the summer months.

N2T……If you want to compare and contrast the two and form a list of pros and cons then add up all of the inputs that 257 has invested in the crops he has pictured and then compare that to the investments made in a crop of “weeds”. That’s a much more fair comparison than cherry picking individual questions. I’m not out here this weekend spraying herbicide so that the weeds will make it through the summer….I’m not paying $100 per bag for the weeds…..I’m not having to feed the weeds 70 units of additional N…..I’m not having to spray before planting and intensively prep the field to grow the weeds…..I’m not having to have lots of specialized equipment to grow the weeds…..I can go on but you get the point. There’s a lot more to it than just cherry picking individual aspects.

Really my main purpose for mowing though is to double crop the biomass and try to get my whole field evened out and on the same page before fall planting gets here. I think I may even drag my disk across the field with most of the bite taken out to try and stimulate new growth in the areas where my crops have me decimated. That's IF the rain ever returns. This is why I’m going to a more weed and clover based system from the get-go in the future. Trying to grow stuff that just gets decimated is just costing me time, money, and more effort to just eventually arrive at the same destination in the end. I’m just going to skip all the bullchit in the middle from now on.

As far as my hunting club…..I haven’t checked on it in several weeks. The situation there is even more extreme than what I’m dealing with here on my test plot. I haven’t even been able to grow the same type of weeds there yet during the summer. My summer fields last year ended up being mostly dog fennel, black eyed susans, etc….just stuff the deer absolutely would not eat…..everything else in the plot was consumed. Why would I try to bust off with a $1000 worth of summer plantings on those fields when I can’t even grow ragweed on them yet due to deer browsing? We’ve actually already had it attempted and it all it got us was another year behind.


I've never had to mow clover to keep the deer eating it. As for the other plants, you said in a previous post that the deer would browse them down so they wouldn't grow as intended.

I've thought about doing this method because of all the time and money I would save based off of what you've been saying. But, it seems like you're always putting out fertilizer or running over your fields with your tractor. Maybe it just seems that way and its not really that way. Maybe you stay in the field you post the pics from because it's close by?

How long have y'all been doing this method at your hunting club?


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Re: Throw n' Mow Tutorial [Re: N2TRKYS] #1373629
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I get the same vibe Brad.



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Originally Posted By: 2Dogs
I get the same vibe Brad.


Feel free to add it up if you want reality instead of a vibe.


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OKee dokee I think you spend so much time throwin' and mowin' and taking pics, you've ran most of your deer off. Those remaining are nocturnal.



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Lawd hammercy...(sigh).........


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Originally Posted By: 2Dogs
OKee dokee I think you spend so much time throwin' and mowin' and taking pics, you've ran most of your deer off. Those remaining are nocturnal.


I agree with this...

I am still waiting for him to answer N2T question..


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