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Re: Throw n' Mow Tutorial
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06/22/15 04:36 PM
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What was planted for the first planting? To get it started, was as it disked in or throw and mow? Cereal rye and clover planted throw and mow in early Oct. Was there enough growth to carry over into the summer or did you plant anything during the spring/summer? No....the deer ate it all. Virtually zero net biomass to carry over from the rye. Just grew weeds during the following summer. 10-4. We have to tie up white string and pie plates to keep them out of our fields. Sounds crazy, but it works for us. We take them down a day or two before bow season.
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Re: Throw n' Mow Tutorial
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06/23/15 03:37 AM
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[img:center]http://  [/img] I think I'm gonna remove the tape in two weeks and let the deer in this field. That's if it is still alive. Some of the buckwheat and corn are struggling while some is doing great I have some corn 5' high. The corn didn't get real thick especially where the thatch layer was so thick the disc didn't cut in on the one pass over we made.
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Re: Throw n' Mow Tutorial
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06/23/15 03:53 AM
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What do you think are the differences causing come areas to do really good and some areas struggle?
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Re: Throw n' Mow Tutorial
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06/23/15 04:45 AM
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Soil type. Along the edges and small rise in this field the soil is a lot poorer than the rest of the field. That's the main reason I'm partially going mow and throw. I won't disc this fall in my lowers two fields since there will be plenty of thatch to cover. The top field I'm gonna have to heavily line and do some deep tillage to try and break the hard pan.
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Re: Throw n' Mow Tutorial
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06/23/15 06:32 AM
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Soil type. Along the edges and small rise in this field the soil is a lot poorer than the rest of the field. Yep.thats the same way my field is too. It has several changing factors across the field which really show themselves through the plants. I actually have a little peninsula of clay that juts out into the upper end of the field thats easily seen just by looking at the difference in the growth. Soil type cant be changed but soil conditions can. Just be patient and over time those other areas will improve.
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Re: Throw n' Mow Tutorial
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06/23/15 08:15 AM
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What do you think are the differences causing come areas to do really good and some areas struggle? Seed to soil contact is likely the issue
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Re: Throw n' Mow Tutorial
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06/23/15 09:03 AM
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What do you think are the differences causing come areas to do really good and some areas struggle? Seed to soil contact is likely the issue Not even close on this one. They winter crop was thin in these areas and the disc dug in good where the poor soils are. They are very sandy with lots of pea gravel in them. The areas that are doing the best are the ones that had heavy thatch that didn't turn under much at all.
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Re: Throw n' Mow Tutorial
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06/23/15 09:19 AM
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Ok well I must have misunderstood your statement about the thatch layer being so thick the disc couldn't touch the ground to incorporate the corn seed.
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Re: Throw n' Mow Tutorial
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06/23/15 09:22 AM
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Ok well I must have misunderstood your statement about the thatch layer being so thick the disc couldn't touch the ground to incorporate the corn seed. thats the reason I think the corn is so thin in the good soil areas. If you see the good green tall corn it's in the heavy thatch layer just real thin. I knew I wouldn't make a good corn stand this way I just figured it was worth a try.
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Re: Throw n' Mow Tutorial
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06/23/15 10:11 AM
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Thought y'all might find this thread interesting. https://www.qdma.com/forums/showthread.php?t=69736257....Have you given thought to planting corn in this method?
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Re: Throw n' Mow Tutorial
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06/23/15 12:43 PM
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We've planted this way before. That's called a cover crop and no till. It's not for the faint of heart. Takes patience and the right planting window. But this method involves planting the seed INTO the soil.
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Re: Throw n' Mow Tutorial
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06/24/15 04:14 AM
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I've had 3 inches of rain since 3 am this morning on my hunting land. I sure hope it wasn't too late
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Re: Throw n' Mow Tutorial
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06/24/15 10:30 AM
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I've had 3 inches of rain since 3 am this morning on my hunting land. I sure hope it wasn't too late Dayuum!!...That's a lot of rain. It sprinkled here enough to wet the ground but that's it. Did you ever add any fert to your fields? I get mixed up over who's done what....especially when multiple people are named turkey something... 
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Re: Throw n' Mow Tutorial
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06/24/15 02:15 PM
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I admire your passion for the mow & throw method but it just didn't work for me this year. I tried it in couple fields side by side with disk & no-till plots. One mow & throw plot I spread seed, mowed, then sprayed. Other plot I jus spread seed and mowed - didn't spray. Both plots are struggling and have grown back mostly to ryegrass. Plots that were disc & no-tilled are doing well. All plots were planted and fertilized same time, same way. Not knocking method, just didn't work out in my test plots. Have to side with 257 and say seed to soil contact is imperative to successful germination. Thanks.....Without you providing us with more details than you have....I really can't comment on what might or might not have happened. I'm not even sure what you tried to plant.
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Re: Throw n' Mow Tutorial
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06/24/15 05:29 PM
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Leaf footed bugs bumping uglies!
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Re: Throw n' Mow Tutorial
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06/25/15 03:33 AM
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Gots me some rain last night. Glad that's over.
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Re: Throw n' Mow Tutorial
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06/25/15 04:18 AM
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So I was talking earlier about likely mowing soon. Here is one of the main reasons I want to do that in addition to double cropping the biomass and keeping weed growth fresh. I wonder if any of the weed species react in the same manner? This is called tillering. http://www.sare.org/Learning-Center/Book...onlegume-Cover-Crops/Sorghum-Sudangrass
Subsoil aerator.
"Mowing whenever stalks reach 3 to 4 feet tall increases root mass five to eight times compared with unmowed stalks, and forces the roots to penetrate deeper.
In addition, tops grow back green and vegetative until frost and tillering creates up to six new, thicker stalks per plant. A single mowing on New York muck soils caused roots to burrow 10 to 16 inches deep compared to 6 to 8 inches deep for unmowed plants. The roots of mowed plants fractured subsoil compaction with wormhole-like openings that improved surface drainage. However, four mowings at shorter heights caused plants to behave more like a grass and significantly decreased the mass, depth and diameter of roots."
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