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Re: Church of Christ member
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Thanks We only get to Heaven through the Grace of God no matter what Church you belong to. mtcw True in a sense but Grace is extended to all mankind. God owed us nothing but thru his Grace we "might" be saved. If there wasn't conditions then everybody is going to Heaven. My Bible says Straight and narrow is the way and FEW will find eternal life.The first time God destroyed the earth he only found one family worthy of life. Narrow way = faith in Jesus Christ as Lord, God, Creator and Saviour the promised Messiah and no other way whatsoever. Narrow does not mean personal performance/works/earning salvation. Christ did it all and paid it all.
"The Tree of Liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Thomas Jefferson
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Re: Church of Christ member
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CoC members think they're the only ones who "get it right". And yes, some think they're the only ones that will get to Heaven. But then, there are folks in every denomination that think theirs is the only one that gets it right. Have you ever talked to a member of any denomination that thinks they're getting it wrong? How messed up would that be?
The true mark of a man is not how he conducts himself during times of prosperity, but how he conducts himself during times of adversity.
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Re: Church of Christ member
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10/09/15 06:28 AM
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CoC members think they're the only ones who "get it right". And yes, some think they're the only ones that will get to Heaven. But then, there are folks in every denomination that think theirs is the only one that gets it right. Have you ever talked to a member of any denomination that thinks they're getting it wrong? How messed up would that be? the point being that there are people in every denomination that think all the others are completely wrong and that their way is the ONLY way.
There are 3 certainties in an uncertain world:
1. All Politicians Are Liars 2. All Gun Laws Are an Infringement 3. Taxation Is Theft
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Re: Church of Christ member
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Heard yesterday that a Church of Christ member said that only members of their church would go to Heaven. I am not saying this myself but was wondering if that is their belief? Do not want to start a war just trying to learn. Depends on what Church of Christ body you are at. Yes, some believe it. And some don't. But that doctrine is in the Church of Christ. Along with salvation through baptism, and the fact they believe you can lose your salvation. That doctrine is what the Bible says. I'm not getting into a theological debate on a deer hunting website. But, no...It isn't what the entire counsel of God's word teaches. One could read where Jesus told the rich young ruler he had to sell all his belonging's and follow Him to enter the kingdom of heaven and come to the conclusion that they must do the same to be saved. In reality He was speaking to that one person because He knew what his god was. Eph. 2 vs. 8 "IT IS BY GRACE THROUGH FAITH THAT YOU ARE SAVED".....Repentance and belief are all that are required. your life will change when someone is really saved and not just giving lip service. Anything else added to the salvation process is a work of man. Plain as that. Sanctification is when we become Holy Spirit empowered to DO the things that God says DO. We don't earn grace.
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Re: Church of Christ member
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Most live and believe whole heartedly in a "performance based religion" where they have to "do" or not "do" to aid in their salvation and to keep that angry God appeased. ...
Yep, some folks and even some denominations (not saying COC as I have heard it both ways from COC members) add performance/works to the Salvation formula - and some add being a member of their denomination also (as the Roman CC church and the Eastern Orthodox church does). And all of the pagan demon made and man made false religions are works/performance based, and with no certainty or guarantee of any eternal outcome. Which is sad.
"The Tree of Liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Thomas Jefferson
" Chuck Sykes is a dictator control freak like Vladimir Putin " WmHunter
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Re: Church of Christ member
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10/09/15 06:52 AM
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But If we Walk in the light as he is in the light,we have fellowship with one another,and the blood of Jesus his son cleanses us from all sin. 1 John 1:7. So according to the Bible we must be walking in the light to receive continued forgiveness of sins.
If anyone would like a serious bible study on "once saved always saved" pm me your address and I'll send you a Bible based study on this subject. No cost to you.
"The Heavens declare the glory of God;and the firmament sheweth his handiwork" Pslam 19:1
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Re: Church of Christ member
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10/09/15 07:00 AM
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Most live and believe whole heartedly in a "performance based religion" where they have to "do" or not "do" to aid in their salvation and to keep that angry God appeased. ...
Yep, some folks and even some denominations (not saying COC as I have heard it both ways from COC members) add performance/works to the Salvation formula - and some add being a member of their denomination also (as the Roman CC church and the Eastern Orthodox church does). And all of the pagan demon made and man made false religions are works/performance based, and with no certainty or guarantee of any eternal outcome. Which is sad. Amen! sadly I know this all to well. Being raised Pentecostal I was actually miserable and regretted that I had even gave in to an alter call one Sunday night at an old fashion alter. No I don't mean that literally but kind of sorta so if you know what I mean. Jesus was so sweet and so loving and unforgiving that one night but by next Sunday He was a whole other God! My Pastor would preach in that Holiness preacher voice " you gotta walk right!, talk right! and spit white!" (meaning no chewing or dipping, lol!) You gotta quit sinning and get busy serving God! places you can't go and places you gotta go. You gotta dress this way and not dress that way. If you ain't read your Bible this week then you must not of "truly" got saved. I mean I could run this thread with crap and yes that's exactly what it was crap! I growled up and de dang if I didn't start preaching myself the same old crap and was miserable. I came to Jesus not because I genuienly wanted to have a relationship with Him and get to know Him but I got "saved" cause I was scared of going to hell. That Sunday night was way back March 1994 and up until 5yrs ago and had many ups and downs and in's and outs of going to church and "serving" God. Amazingly though by the Graciousness of my Father(Heavenly) I allowed and yeildied to that soft sweet voice of the Holy Spirit to speak to my heart and WOW! what a journey these last 5 yrs has been. Little by little and I mean that, it was with a great struggle that little by little those grave clothes of religion began to fall off and I was no longer miserable, no longer was I afraid and finally after all those years I began to actually start a relationship with Jesus and I was no longer doing the "sepulture shuffle" (trying to walk by faith with all those grave clothes and wrappings of religion on) Man! I guess I could write for days but it is a deer hunting forum I guess, lol!
Romans 8:1-2 "There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, for the law of the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of Sin and Death"
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Re: Church of Christ member
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we have to follow the Bible. we cannot make up our own way to salvation because "God's grace will cover us." God's grace does cover us, but only if we follow his commands That's a performance based contract, not a covenant. God doesn't make contracts.
" I do view Jim Waltz as a really good Presidential candidate" Bama_Earl
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Re: Church of Christ member
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Faith without works is dead. Therefore those that imply only faith is needed must deny the very existance of that verse. And in order for this verse to be true faith must have been present at one time or else it couldnt die due to lack of works. We are to sow not just sit back and do nothing. If you sow nothing then you reap nothing. So to say one doesnt have to work at all once they are saved goes against Bible and Jesus teaching. We are also warned against being luke warm christians as Christ said he would spew them from his mouth. He was speaking to Christians not non believers
Two roads diverged in the woods and I took the one with deep ruts,hills and mud.It may be bumpy but WHAT A RIDE!
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Re: Church of Christ member
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Faith without works is dead.
Works are a byproduct of your salvation, not the reason for it. Otherwise, Jesus sacrifice falls short and man becomes the source of his own salvation.
" I do view Jim Waltz as a really good Presidential candidate" Bama_Earl
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Re: Church of Christ member
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10/09/15 07:21 AM
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Philipians 2:12 We are told to Work out our Salvation with Fear and Trembling.
"The Heavens declare the glory of God;and the firmament sheweth his handiwork" Pslam 19:1
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Re: Church of Christ member
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I don't have a whole lot of time for futility right now so I won't dive into a theological discussion like many times before. However, I will say this in response to the OP's question. Hell is going to be slap full of Baptist, Pentecostal, Holiness, Catholic, Presbyterian, Methodist, and yes, Church of Christ church members who don't have a clue what it means to place their life and "works" altering faith in the Lamb of God and His finished work on the cross. Those who have walked an aisle and prayed a prayer, those who have leaned upon a dunking in water that, for them, wasn't an iota different than their daily showers spiritually speaking, those who have sat in the "right" kind of pew for 40 years and taught Sunday School for the same amount of time, etc. etc. Those who are trusting fully in their own works and goodness to earn and/or retain salvation, never having entered into a loving, adoptive relationship (where the only kind of fear that exists is that of reverence) with their Heavenly Father, by the blood of Christ, and will hear the words "I never knew you; depart from me."
I pray that every single one of you truly know Him, and that He truly knows you, regardless of where you attend church or how you interpret the totality of Scripture.
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"The only reason I shoot a 3.5" shell for turkeys is because they don't make a 4" one." - t123winters
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Re: Church of Christ member
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You ever wonder why the Bible uses the example of marriage to relate Jesus' relationship with the Church (believers)? It calls the Church the Bride of Christ, Jesus the Bridegroom, the feast in Heaven after the rapture of the Church is called the Wedding Feast (or Marriage Supper) of the Lamb; "Husbands love your wives just as Christ loved the Church". The institution of marriage was created by God to be an earthly example of the relationship that Jesus has with those who believe. (Which is the very reason the institution of marriage is under attack). That is why divorce was originally forbidden, it was not exemplary of that relationship.
All that to ask this question...what is it that makes us married (for those of us that are)? Are we married because we serve our wife and do "works" for her to please her? Does the minute we quit serving her and doing things to please her make us unmarried? Or, are we married because we love our wife and made a decision to enter into a covenant relationship with her? And is it that same love that causes us to want to serve and please her? It's not the works that makes us married, it's the decision we made (because we love her) to enter into that covenant relationship. And it's that same love that causes us to want to serve her and do things that please her. Relationship and works don't function exclusively of each other, and one doesn't cause the other, they work in concert with each other because they're both byproducts of the same thing...love.
Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death! - Patrick Henry
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Re: Church of Christ member
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I don't have a whole lot of time for futility right now so I won't dive into a theological discussion like many times before. However, I will say this in response to the OP's question. Hell is going to be slap full of Baptist, Pentecostal, Holiness, Catholic, Presbyterian, Methodist, and yes, Church of Christ church members who don't have a clue what it means to place their life and "works" altering faith in the Lamb of God and His finished work on the cross. Those who have walked an aisle and prayed a prayer, those who have leaned upon a dunking in water that, for them, wasn't an iota different than their daily showers spiritually speaking, those who have sat in the "right" kind of pew for 40 years and taught Sunday School for the same amount of time, etc. etc. Those who are trusting fully in their own works and goodness to earn and/or retain salvation, never having entered into a loving, adoptive relationship (where the only kind of fear that exists is that of reverence) with their Heavenly Father, by the blood of Christ, and will hear the words "I never knew you; depart from me."
I pray that every single one of you truly know Him, and that He truly knows you, regardless of where you attend church or how you interpret the totality of Scripture. Dont forget those that just believe and thats it. Belief in and of itself doesnt save either
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Re: Church of Christ member
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My uncle is a COC minister and they definitely believe and are taught that unless you are a member of the COC that you will not be allowed through the gates of Heaven.
We have had this discussion with my uncle several times, as my parents are Baptist and I am Methodist and he will simply say that he will continue to pray for us and that we will consider joining his religious faith.
"Don't cling to Mistake, just because you spent a lot of time making it."
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You ever wonder why the Bible uses the example of marriage to relate Jesus' relationship with the Church (believers)? It calls the Church the Bride of Christ, Jesus the Bridegroom, the feast in Heaven after the rapture of the Church is called the Wedding Feast (or Marriage Supper) of the Lamb; "Husbands love your wives just as Christ loved the Church". The institution of marriage was created by God to be an earthly example of the relationship that Jesus has with those who believe. (Which is the very reason the institution of marriage is under attack). That is why divorce was originally forbidden, it was not exemplary of that relationship.
All that to ask this question...what is it that makes us married (for those of us that are)? Are we married because we serve our wife and do "works" for her to please her? Does the minute we quit serving her and doing things to please her make us unmarried? Or, are we married because we love our wife and made a decision to enter into a covenant relationship with her? And is it that same love that causes us to want to serve and please her? It's not the works that makes us married, it's the decision we made (because we love her) to enter into that covenant relationship. And it's that same love that causes us to want to serve her and do things that please her. Relationship and works don't function exclusively of each other, and one doesn't cause the other, they work in concert with each other because they're both byproducts of the same thing...love. Awesome!!! I highly reccomend every one to go and read the story of Gomer in Hosea. Oh! what a beautiful story depicting our relationship with Christ and what He has done for us at the Cross.
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Romans 8:1-2 "There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, for the law of the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of Sin and Death"
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Re: Church of Christ member
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Dont forget those that just believe and thats it. Belief in and of itself doesnt save either A "faith" that is not accompanied by good works is not faith at all. By the authority of Scripture, the two are inseparable.
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Re: Church of Christ member
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What i am saying is that those who think all you have to do is believe are leaving out the rest. For example in Peters sermon he was asked "what MUST we do to be saved". His reply was NOT "you are already saved because now you believe in Jesus" which would give creedance to believe only. But his reply was "repent and be baptized". They already believed but were not saved. Wben they obeyed what they were told they MUST do then and only then were they saved. Peter was one of the 12 that walked with and talked with Jesus while be was on this earth. Ill believe him over any preacher who was not there at the time of Christ and has his own interpretation of the Holy Bible.
Two roads diverged in the woods and I took the one with deep ruts,hills and mud.It may be bumpy but WHAT A RIDE!
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