Thank God His grace is not conditional. Grace is not dependent on obedience. Obedience is the result of faith.

Read up on some Hebrews. It explains how Christ was the atoning sacrifice for all sins, past, present, and future. So the argument about the thief being "under the old covenant" doesn't wash. Jesus was the covenant all along. From Genesis to Exodus.

300 gr. explain Acts 10 /47.

Read up on some Hebrews. It explains how Christ was the atoning sacrifice for all sins, past, present, and future. So the argument about the thief being "under the old covenant" doesn't wash. Jesus was the covenant all along. From Genesis to Exodus.

as much as I hate to cut and paste:

Acts 10:44-48 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word. 45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost. 46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter, 47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we? 48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.

Notice that the Jews were astonished by the sign, that Peter used the sign as a basis for baptizing Gentiles, and that Peter commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. This was the baptism of Acts 2:38 based upon which those baptized received “the gift of the Holy Spirit.”

Look also at Acts 11:14-15. Verse 14 tells us that Cornelius would hear words whereby he and his household would be saved, and verse 15 tells us that the Holy Spirit fell on them as Peter began to speak. So the Holy Spirit fell on them before they heard the words whereby they would be saved, and certainly before they could obey whatever Peter told them to do. So we know that the Holy Spirit fell on them prior to their salvation.

So why then did the Holy Spirit fall on them? It was not for their benefit but for Peter's! Look at Acts 11:16-17. When Peter saw the Holy Spirit fall on the Gentiles he was reminded of something Jesus had said, and he knew that the gospel was for the Gentiles as well as for the Jews. Look also at Acts 10:45.

And what did Peter tell them to do whereby they would be saved? Look at Acts 10:48.

Just for the record here so no one is confused as to where I stand with my reply form this quote.

I am only and I repeat only agreeing and being friendly by saying that I agree with him on that issue alone. Pretty much why I only quoted that little section. Your right Christ was the Lamb that took away the sin(the penalty that is) of the whole world. Whether it is believed or not I just so happens to buy into, I'm that gullible. That is Good News!

Fact is Jesus satisfied the sin debt that was owed by man. He took it all on Himself at the Cross....He that knew no sin became sin that we could become the righteousness of God In Christ.

Which brings up another good conversation. Besides an Identity crisis the Body of Christ has a terrible "sin conciseness" instead of a Jesus conciseness. We know more about sin than we do Jesus. He is little preached nor talked about. We know what sin is a mile away, we talk about sinning, not sinning, trying not to sin, little sin, big sin and everything under the sun dealing with sin. My if we'd just talk about Jesus! He is the answer friends.

opps, got off on another tantrum again sorry, lol!

The Gospel is
1 Corinthians 15 1-4

I was raised up at Decatur Hwy. Church of Christ in Gardendale Al. I was told my whole life by the preacher and sunday school teachers that unless you belonged to a Church of Christ you were going to hell. My parents didnt believe this doctrine and neither did I, but they liked everythig else about the church so we stayed. Fast forward many years and I marry my wife who was raised Church of God. HUGE difference. Everything was cool for about two years until when my wife started going to a ladies bible study and one of the older ladies told her to her face that she sure hoped she converted because she would hate to see such a sweet young lady go to hell. HMMM I thought. Not long after that our preacher came to visit and basically said the same thing. I want to say his last name was Hinkle. He moved to Tennessee some time later. Now keep in mind my wife is one of the godliest, scripturally knowledgable people I know. The wheels were turning in my head on what to do. But the straw that broke the camels back was one Sunday night when we had a visiting preacher from the Homewood or Hoover area and he stood in the pulpit with a phone book and started naming off churches by their name and then would say "going to hell" after each one he named. I said Im out. That was the last time I attended that church. My wife and I wound up in the Baptist faith. Not that its perfect but it seem to fit both of us. Its been almost 20 yrs. now. My parents still attend a Church of Christ in Hanceville, Al. but it is alot more laid back and receptive to other denominations. I know not all COC are that way but but in the 80's and at least until we left in 1997 that was Decatur Highways doctrine. Cant speak for them now.

OK. If you just want to argue then how was he the sacrifice for the thief if he HAD NOT been sacrificed. He hadn't died yet to complete the sacrifice. Lets look at a sacrifice. When a lamb was laid on the alter was the sacrifice complete? No it wasn't complete until blood was shed and the lamb was dead.

as much as I hate to cut and paste:

Acts 10:44-48 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word. 45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost. 46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter, 47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we? 48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.

Notice that the Jews were astonished by the sign, that Peter used the sign as a basis for baptizing Gentiles, and that Peter commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. This was the baptism of Acts 2:38 based upon which those baptized received “the gift of the Holy Spirit.”

Look also at Acts 11:14-15. Verse 14 tells us that Cornelius would hear words whereby he and his household would be saved, and verse 15 tells us that the Holy Spirit fell on them as Peter began to speak. So the Holy Spirit fell on them before they heard the words whereby they would be saved, and certainly before they could obey whatever Peter told them to do. So we know that the Holy Spirit fell on them prior to their salvation.

So why then did the Holy Spirit fall on them? It was not for their benefit but for Peter's! Look at Acts 11:16-17. When Peter saw the Holy Spirit fall on the Gentiles he was reminded of something Jesus had said, and he knew that the gospel was for the Gentiles as well as for the Jews. Look also at Acts 10:45.

And what did Peter tell them to do whereby they would be saved? Look at Acts 10:48.

That's a lot of apples and oranges. In Acts 10:45-48 the Greek word fell in 44 means to impress upon...what the Holy Spirit does to unbelievers as He leads to salvation. The word "poured out" in 45 means just that, to pour out, to bestow or distribute largely. The Holy Spirit "fell" on them prior to salvation because that's what lead them to salvation. So it was ABSOLUTELY for their benefit and not Peter's. Then the Holy Spirit was "poured out" on them (remember being slimed on Double Dare on Nickelodian?) Another way to think about it is they were "immersed" in the Holy Spirit...baptizo. One doesn't receive the GIFT of the Holy Spirit and a prayer language without being saved. Lastly, in 47 it says they had "received" the Holy Spirit, which means to take hold of, make ones own...that's their moment of salvation. As a result of that that they were baptized.

as much as I hate to cut and paste:

Acts 10:44-48 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word. 45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost. 46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter, 47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we? 48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.

Notice that the Jews were astonished by the sign, that Peter used the sign as a basis for baptizing Gentiles, and that Peter commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. This was the baptism of Acts 2:38 based upon which those baptized received “the gift of the Holy Spirit.”

Look also at Acts 11:14-15. Verse 14 tells us that Cornelius would hear words whereby he and his household would be saved, and verse 15 tells us that the Holy Spirit fell on them as Peter began to speak. So the Holy Spirit fell on them before they heard the words whereby they would be saved, and certainly before they could obey whatever Peter told them to do. So we know that the Holy Spirit fell on them prior to their salvation.

So why then did the Holy Spirit fall on them? It was not for their benefit but for Peter's! Look at Acts 11:16-17. When Peter saw the Holy Spirit fall on the Gentiles he was reminded of something Jesus had said, and he knew that the gospel was for the Gentiles as well as for the Jews. Look also at Acts 10:45.

And what did Peter tell them to do whereby they would be saved? Look at Acts 10:48.

The point is they were saved before baptism. Any way you slice it. And this was new covenant , not old.