If evolution is true, why aren't there any half ape half man beings walking around? i don't shoot "cull" bucks. If you were to try to take that gene out of the pool I would think you should shoot him and every doe you see that the deer could've bred. I may be wrong in my thinking, but that's the way I see it

Guys, y'all are misrepresenting what I'm saying. I'm not "pro" or "against" evolution. I'm just saying it is the same biological process. Think about it.

I'm also not saying the cull buck theory is actually effective. What I'm saying is that if you think you can change the herd by selecting traits, that, in fact is the same biological process as evolution.

Tell me how I'm wrong?

Yes, but the reason actually shoot a buck with ugly antlers, is just that (regardless of whether it's actually true, this is why they do it)

You're disputing the very idea of changing the herd, so my original post doesn't really apply to you, only people who reject evolution, but shoot culls to "clean up the herd",

And the idea that all evolutionary traits improve survival is also incorrect (in some cases), and the traits can be just as arbitrary. The fact that turkeys have evolved to strut and have big fanned tails never really helped their survival, but it was attractive to the hens, and got passed on. A gobbler doesn't need that tail to survive, only to get the right to pass on his genes to a hen that was impressed by that tail. There are many other examples like this (but is getting off into a tangent)

Surely I've convinced someone to change their ways!

Evolution is the process by which organisns change or evolve due to a number of factors, which produces new species. It's not a theory anymore either. It's as true as the sun in the sky and us indisputable unless you purposely ignore the scientific evidence like some do.
Evolution occurs in geologic (ten of thousands to millions of years)time, not a couple years. Culling ain't going to 'cause' evolution.

Well, there's a significant portion of folks on here that disagree with you on both counts. Not me, but many. That's the point of the original post.

Many folks reject evolution theory (creationism has to be taught in Alabama by law, I believe) but they practice a cull buck management that confirms what they say they are rejecting.
Again, I'm not arguing the merits of either side, I'm just pointing out the inconsistency, nothing more.

Evolution gets something from nothing and to me your theory of comparison makes no sense to me.

If evolution exists, and man came from monkeys, why do monkeys still exist?

God is the creator. Period

Humans have been practicing selective breeding (artificial selection) for centuries. The reason we have cow's that are better for milk and other's that are better for eating is selective breeding. We have tomato plants that produce bigger and juicier tomatoes because of the same. We have dogs that are better at tracking because of guess why? Because generations of them have been bred to produce the desired traits. Throughout history, people have tried to do the same with humans. Slave holders bred their big man and big woman to produce bigger stronger slaves. The Nazis tried to produce a superior race through the extermination of undesirables. Margaret Sanger, founder of Planned Parenthood, believed in Eugenics and developed an organization to sterilize and abort undesirables (ever noticed that you don't find Planned Parenthood clinics in well to do neighborhoods) through selective breeding. Selective breeding promotes desirable traits but in no way is related to evolution which is a gradual adaptation of a living organism to it's environment.

You must have been smokin some strong chit last night.......

Deep thoughts on ALdeer

My opinion is worth what y'all pay me for it

Evolutionists would say that it's the same as the reason why Catholics still exist even though we have Protestants now, just a branch off a tree.

And yes, God is the creator, period.

So, you believe God is the creator and you believe in evolution? How does this work? Did God not create all things and have Adam name them in Genesis? We have new species now that God didn't create?

Just trying to understand. And as far as what God created in Genesis, I don't know if he created all different types of dogs or just dog and different genes are expressed in different dog breeds.


because we know there were only two people created, and out of those two people came all the different races but they are people

And how did we get so deep in the Serious Deer Hunting forum anyway??

I think those are all good questions. I know really good Christians that believe for and against evolution.

Apparently I got into some good stuff last night

But not really....

I think Remington270 is just saying if you "cull" certain deer but don't believe in evolution then you are the "hitlers" of deer hunting. Trying to rid the population of genetics you do not like.

I think part of the disagreement is definitional - evolution to me is not a theory of the creation of something new, but selection by elimination.

I think the spectrum of genetic traits have existed since Genesis, but in different environments, within any given species, certain characteristics are more desirable to survival/proliferation. Over long periods of time, the members of the species with those traits survive and breed, increasing the % of the population with those traits (Google Punnett Square). The members of the species with less desirable traits don't survive, and therefore don't breed. As this continues for 1000s of years, the genetic make up of the "herd" shifts to the traits most advantageous to the survival of that species, in that environment, and become dominant.

Deer with larger bodies/ more insulation survived better in Saskatchewan than they did in South Texas, but they are still both deer. I think humans with certain traits likewise evolved differently in different environments. However, in my mind, the evolution of a species does not equate to man coming from apes.

I believe in God. I do not believe we evolved from apes.

However I believe in some evolution as well. It can be seen by looking at what men and women 500 years ago were built like. They were much shorter and smaller. I dont know if evolution can occur in that short period of time. I do not know if that is evolution or if it is the access to better food and medicine...

I shoot "weird" bucks to remove them from the gene pool. It would be like not allowing a person with a known genetic affliction from reproducing.

I also dont shoot does after the rut starts. I dont know if they have been bred yet. I usually can kill the number of does I want before the rut starts so it really isnt an issue for me.