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Re: I have a simple question [Re: Hogwild] #1545564
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I heard the 1st ones I ever heard in AL when I was 12 yrs old in Putnam, AL one night while coon hunting. That would have been in 1979. By the mid-80's, they were more distributed across our area. By the mid 90's, they had become common. By the mid 2000's, they were a nuisance. And now, they are plague like!

Re: I have a simple question [Re: Hogwild] #1545571
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Hog, you could not be more correct. A damn disease you cant get rid of.

Re: I have a simple question [Re: Hogwild] #1545578
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Coincide with deer population growth maybe?


It be's that way sometimes.

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Re: I have a simple question [Re: jaredhunts] #1545601
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Originally Posted By: jaredhunts
Coincide with deer population growth maybe?


What do you mean by this ?

Re: I have a simple question [Re: jaredhunts] #1545695
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Originally Posted By: jaredhunts
Coincide with deer population growth maybe?


well, that one - no one would be definitive on. too many variables. that can't explain all the coyote running around in daphne! they are eating garbage, produce from the fields and folk's cats and puppy dogs.

i know how many coyote we (our hunting club members) have trapped on our little bitty piece of leased land. it ain't good, and by the sign (prints, scat and sounding off to pack up) we got a bunch to contend with.

if you're a large land owner or lessee, you may be surprised by the number of coyote on said premise.

my $.02 and i'm still tallying the yotes as we get 'em.

Re: I have a simple question [Re: Hogwild] #1545747
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Originally Posted By: Hogwild
There is a lot of debate ongoing concerning deer numbers. It honestly baffles me to see some of the statements! So, my question is:

Do most of you understand the Concept of antlerless harvest?

It IS to lower the population!

No more, no less.
Simply curtailing buck harvest will have SAME effect on buck:doe ratio as killing does. So, save that argument. It is to reduce overall numbers and it works very well.


I think you are on to something! And now the DCNR can't figure out how to get out of it! Going from kill 1 buck per day with a few doe days to blast 2 does per day the entire season to offset the 3 buck limit! It's somewhat laughable that they worked their way right into a catch 22 with all of the TV big buck quality deer mismanagement clamour from billybob the mighty hunter groups! The answer I am sure will be more regulations and stupidity, those things that government bureaucracy is good at! Trudge on men we have a problem to create, so we can create a solution!!


"After all, it is not the killing that brings satisfaction; it is the contest of skill and cunning. The true hunter counts his achievement in proportion to the effort involved and the fairness of the sport." Dr. Saxton Pope
Re: I have a simple question [Re: Fun4all] #1545781
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Originally Posted By: Fun4all
Originally Posted By: Hogwild
There is a lot of debate ongoing concerning deer numbers. It honestly baffles me to see some of the statements! So, my question is:

Do most of you understand the Concept of antlerless harvest?

It IS to lower the population!

No more, no less.
Simply curtailing buck harvest will have SAME effect on buck:doe ratio as killing does. So, save that argument. It is to reduce overall numbers and it works very well.


I think you are on to something! And now the DCNR can't figure out how to get out of it! Going from kill 1 buck per day with a few doe days to blast 2 does per day the entire season to offset the 3 buck limit! It's somewhat laughable that they worked their way right into a catch 22 with all of the TV big buck quality deer mismanagement clamour from billybob the mighty hunter groups! The answer I am sure will be more regulations and stupidity, those things that government bureaucracy is good at! Trudge on men we have a problem to create, so we can create a solution!!


Exactly!

I have a LOT of Biologist buddies. Heck, I even went to college for a while myself at AU with some of them as I thought that it was a field that I, myself, would enjoy. So, I am absolutely certain that this situation with a greatly reduced deer population in areas along with a dwindling herd in others was created by people with the very best of intentions. And, honestly, with the information that they had at the time, the change was needed in areas. However, hunters have become accustomed to the fact that they can kill a deer or two a day if they see them. They do not want that privilege taken away.
And, you are correct......even though the internet is full of deer management gurus......it will take Regulations, harvest regs or season changes to curtail the antlerless harvest in critical areas. Because the propaganda worked. People have convinced themselves that they are doing the 'right' thing.

Re: I have a simple question [Re: Hogwild] #1545806
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More regukations and governent outreach .. I didn't think your going to have to worry about to many regulations in akabama from what I'm seeing .. But just a few would be smart .

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