Cold Springs hunting club. It's at the southern tip of Cullman. It's about 3000 acres. I hate you boys don't believe me but it's hard not to see deer on every hunt and it's usually multiple deer. The plots are always ate down to nothing

Doesn't the DMP already provide those exact type plans?

Doesn't it allow for site-specific Management if desired??

Why do the complainers not utilize it?

Cold Springs hunting club. It's at the southern tip of Cullman. It's about 3000 acres. I hate you boys don't believe me but it's hard not to see deer on every hunt and it's usually multiple deer. The plots are always ate down to nothing

Doesn't the DMP already provide those exact type plans?
Doesn't it allow for site-specific Management if desired??
Why do the complainers not utilize it?

Let's see leave it like it is because you help manage land that has limited hunters on it due to their wealth and financial means......I think not! As I have stated before if a property truly has the need the State can always issue more tags to that property as they did back in the days of limited doe harvest, but to leave the whole state as is just because the wealthy have access to better land and can keep the hunters on the property today a bare minimum is just plain unacceptable to the small landowners like myself who do not control large tracts of land with virtually unlimited resources.....

Point is they shouldn't have to be treated separately. The current regs allow them to manage their deer herd as they see fit as it does you! Why should they Have to be involved in a separate program? FORCE others to be involved in a government program!



I say the State should go to the small, unmanaged properties you hunt and others that want more government restrictions, and make separate regs and limit YOUR harvest to their specs. Leave the guys who have enough land and do spend the money to manage alone! Right now everyone is treated with the same regs. You want regulations on OTHERS to fit your ideas.

I didn't say I didn't believe you. Just that I didn't know anyone with that experience. I'm about 20 miles from you. Every one of my plots need mowing.


Probably not 20. More like 10 as the crow flies.

I don't blame you for looking out for your own interests and your rich clients because if they were to enroll in the above mentioned program they would have a State biologist help them in their management needs and where would that leave you......looking for a job with the State I guess . So I do understand your position and apparent disdain for us poor guys that can only afford to have a hundred or so acres to call our own....

Yea, cause the State guys can do all the burning, timber sales, mulching, mowing, planting, herbicide application, site preparation and tree planting we do. Oh Yea, that would work with your Big Government regulation, socialist concept of things. Go ahead and have the State take over, that way everything would be FREE... Whoopee!

Yea, cause the State guys can do all the burning, timber sales, mulching, mowing, planting, herbicide application, site preparation and tree planting we do. Oh Yea, that would work with your Big Government regulation, socialist concept of things. Go ahead and have the State take over, that way everything would be FREE... Whoopee!

Point is they shouldn't have to be treated separately. The current regs allow them to manage their deer herd as they see fit as it does you! Why should they Have to be involved in a separate program? FORCE others to be involved in a government program!



I say the State should go to the small, unmanaged properties you hunt and others that want more government restrictions, and make separate regs and limit YOUR harvest to their specs. Leave the guys who have enough land and do spend the money to manage alone! Right now everyone is treated with the same regs. You want regulations on OTHERS to fit your ideas.

Thank you gobbler, well said. I already work with a biologists and my deer herd is healthy and we work with our neighbors. Why should I have to change what I'm doing?
I started hunting a lease in Elmore county last year and we don't have enough does there to shoot any. I don't need a biologists to tell me not to shoot them I already know that. In five years we will have to start shooting them because we will have to many.

How do you determine that you have too many?

Come on, man.....keep up!

You have to hire a biologist to tell you!

I normally agree with most all of your posts.
But, not this time!

Your twist was quick and clever. But, without merit. The DMP is to allow the MANAGEMENT of Wildlife. The Rules, Regulations and Seasons were adopted to Conserve Wildlife.

As I normally agree with yours!

However the DMP route should not be the only route available for people to manage their land as they see fit. The Rules and Regs should be used to conserve wildlife where they need conservation. Landowners shouldn't be forced to be on a government program so they can manage their wildlife under the supervision of a government employee.

Don't get me wrong. Night hunter and Matt are great guys and do a great job. I am friends with a few other wildlife biologists with the State as well and think the world of them. Also, many of the landowners I work with DO participate in DMP, some for decades and I encourage it. However, I don't want them to HAVE to be on it to get doe tags when they need to kill does.

If I have a landowner, who manages strictly for quail for instance, will the State issue unlimited doe tags for this landowner to reduce their deer herd down to a MINIMAL population? Deer compete with quail for food plants and he may not want deer jumping in front of his dogs. For whatever reason he may not want deer! He should have a right to manage that way, but I would bet that some State biologists would go along with it but some would NOT and that is the problem with another government program.

As I normally agree with yours!

However the DMP route should not be the only route available for people to manage their land as they see fit. The Rules and Regs should be used to conserve wildlife where they need conservation. Landowners shouldn't be forced to be on a government program so they can manage their wildlife under the supervision of a government employee.

Don't get me wrong. Night hunter and Matt are great guys and do a great job. I am friends with a few other wildlife biologists with the State as well and think the world of them. Also, many of the landowners I work with DO participate in DMP, some for decades and I encourage it. However, I don't want them to HAVE to be on it to get doe tags when they need to kill does.

If I have a landowner, who manages strictly for quail for instance, will the State issue unlimited doe tags for this landowner to reduce their deer herd down to a MINIMAL population? Deer compete with quail for food plants and he may not want deer jumping in front of his dogs. For whatever reason he may not want deer! He should have a right to manage that way, but I would bet that some State biologists would go along with it but some would NOT and that is the problem with another government program.