Fur- It really wouldn't take all that many. You base it off of general habitat types, soils, deer pops., human population centers, breeding info, land ownership patterns and a couple other factors and you can begin to see patterns or shapes taking place. Pretty interesting.

I haven't cared for or been a member of QDMA for probably 9 years or more. I do see where they are misrepresented about killing all the does and being trophy buck oriented. None of which is true. They always advocated shoot as many as you need to. They advocated to make sound decisions and get management help if unsure of what to do.

Years ago I did advocate killing as many does as possible, because I seen how well it helped our club. We didn't reach 1 doe per hundred acres as I've often seen mentioned, closer to 1 doe per every 200 acres.

I agree overall numbers are down from when I started hunting in the mid 80's. Back then it was nothing to see 20-30 does in a group running thru the woods and rarely that elusive 1.5 yr old spike.

I can only relate to my experiences. I hear some guys saying there are no deer in the same areas I personally see deer and deer sign in.

I admitted from day 1 that I joined this site to advocate for buck limits. I was over at the QDMA site and some guys here invited me to join.

You are doing exactly as I did but for a different cause, there is no difference. I wish you godspeed in your endeavor.

Some of you guys are talking about areas that need lower antlerless harvests, where specifically are you talking about?

Be as specific as possible, this is pretty interesting to see if y'all match DMP/hunter reports that I have had.

Oddly enough, I actually attended the CAB meetings and supported the current buck limits. And, I believe in 'intelligent' antlerless harvest.

BUT, I also see what the propaganda has caused and the attitude of the hunters in my area. Heck. we have folks from all over coming in to help 'manage' our does and so-called cull bucks. Then, they jump to the next club/lease and 'manage' those, too!!!

Wow that's unreal! I wonder what the difference is? The club borders a lot of Smith lake but I don't know if that would be it.

Bigt, trust me, we know something needs to be done.

It's really pretty simple just copy cat TN they've had their chit together for years.

just curious, what is it that needs to be done? Reduce doe harvest? I would think that it would be time to cut back on the length of the deer season in those areas, where am i wrong?

just curious, what is it that needs to be done? Reduce doe harvest? I would think that it would be time to cut back on the length of the deer season in those areas, where am i wrong?

I can't imagine cutting the season back. You south AL boys lost your dang minds because you couldn't use a gun for ten days.

I can't imagine cutting the season back. You south AL boys lost your dang minds because you couldn't use a gun for ten days.

I'm sure some did. But I'm glad y'all gave us 10 days in Feb. I would have given the whole month of December for those 10 days. Thank you!

I didn't say I didn't believe you. Just that I didn't know anyone with that
experience. I'm about 20 miles from you. Every one of my plots need mowing.


Probably not 20. More like 10 as the crow flies.

Cull bucks really irks me....

I agree at times it was mis-guided by many, myself included. At the same time the sky is falling there are no deer in Alabama is just as bad. Slow down and make sure of what is going on.

I mention the 5,000 acre lease cause that is the place I actually learned about deer and their habits because of the buck restrictions. I basically lived there for 10 years, ask my wife. I consumed everything related to deer management and the one thing that holds true, hunter management is the hardest thing to overcome. The sad thing is that hunters will never agree.

As Westervelt spoke about, once clubs have more than 10 members the troubles begin. They were at the CAB along with QDMA and State biologist, etc....meeting for antler restrictions on WMAs and or Counties.

Where I hunt and roam now I don't see what is happening elsewhere. From what I gather there is truly some concern in certain areas. The only reason I posted on this thread is sometimes there are other reasons the deer are no longer in a certain area. That factor is often overlooked.

Several places I've watched the past years seem to have lost the deer in that particular area. Every one of those places has to do with habitat change.

The area at 247 and Hwy 72, those deer had to move cause of the pit taking out their bedding area. They still come to feed but rarely will you see them there during daylight now. Their bedding area has moved at least a 1/2 mile away. That will once again change in a year or so as a fill site is taking over that habitat. I bet there are guys on here that are used to seeing those deer. There usually is a really good buck hanging out with the other deer.

In another area that one should slow down anytime thru there, I haven't seen a single deer this year. The big change was how much timber was taken out on both sides of the road. There is still a strip of pines, just past the pines is a lunar moonscape for miles. I imagine the deer will return in year or so when habitat is better suited. About a mile down the road, deer crossings have increased.

I could mention more but that covers the gist of it of my point.