NH - I think on deer it is just because that is the way it has always been so that is the way always should continue (or something like that).

I have always wondered why (according to a lot of Alabama deer hunters) every other state's buck management methods are so much better than Alabama's, but not their antlerless methods?

Don't start if you don't want to be obsessed for life

If deer numbers are shown to be declining and we can't get a handle on the predator problem, the logical step to take is to restrict the harvest. If Alabama eliminated the killing of does in counties where the population is hurting I would be all for it.

I wish we were allowed to kill our season limit at one time and not have a one a day rule.

Problem is how do you do that? We need does killed, a lot of does killed. I see alot of does every hunt. I'm seeing 4.5-5:1 based on my avid bow hunter survey I'm doing for dcnr

I don't know jbc. I hope and believe we have very capable biologists making these decisions on seasons and bag limits.

Why should I have to have a biologist come to my club to give me tags to harvest enough does to keep my herd healthy? We only have five members and need to harvest 20 does. Why can't the clubs with low doe numbers stop shooting them and plant summer crops and year round supplemental feeding. The DNRC wildlife biologist will come to your property and help you. Do not take away the management tool of doe harvest from the clubs with high numbers.

It is not okay. The state has changed the bag limits on deer before and they need to do something again before it is too late in some areas. Again I am not in favor of painting the whole state with a broad brush but rather using the established districts to create limits according to the need in those districts .....

Why do you have to shoot them? How do you know you need to kill 20 does? Did a biologist come out to your club and give you recommendations or did y'all just come up with a number?

Yes, I have a biologist that works with me and we also have a two buck limit per member.

So you believe you and your neighbors are killing that many more bucks than does that your herd is that far out of balance?

I think a well planned camera survey would be a much more reliable method of determining buck to doe ratio than a hunter sighting survey.

When I was in club with 5000 acres we had about 20 guys that hunted regularly.
Year after year certain guys seen does and very few bucks and vice versa. It had more to do with how and where each person hunted, not population cycles.

If the numbers are really that low in certain areas the state should shorten the season in those areas, especially if the season limit is not going to change. One doe a day from Oct 15 (25) - Jan 31 (Feb 10) implies that we have plenty (maybe still too many) does available for killing.

Some of you guys are talking about areas that need lower antlerless harvests, where specifically are you talking about?

Be as specific as possible, this is pretty interesting to see if y'all match DMP/hunter reports that I have had.

Is Creola and Gulfcrest ALabama specific enough ......Just make it all of Mobile County to be sure

Southern Shelby county.

Heck I wish the governor would write you out a permit to do it so you'd quit talking about it

Used to hunt in evergreen and any timber land we hunted on the company required us to shoot a certain amount of does a yr and turn in all jaw bones. Every year they wanted alot of does killed off the land and would get mad if the quota was met. I found it hard to do that when you see one deer ever two or three sets.I guess they knew what they are doing because every yr we killed some great bucks off the property. I have my own lease now and after yrs of managing we have seen our herd go from hardly seeing any deer all yr long to seeing 5 or so deer on every sit. I think all places are different but a few years of letting deer walk makes a big difference.

I agree.... Then I wouldn't miss all of the good spring fishing.....

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