Well, I will say it.

Kill a spring gobbler and you kill one turkey. Unless there aren't enough remaining gobblers to breed the hens, it will never be more than the death of that one gobbler. So if all of them survive you have an additional gobbler per 26 sq miles, according to gobbler's estimate. Maybe its really an additional gobbler for every 20 miles, or even every 10 miles, but I can't believe anyone would ever notice. The incidental killing of hens is the one argument I can buy, and have said it myself. The season came in 3/20 for many years. I could see moving it back for areas with few turkeys.

All the study groups seem to ignore the human factor on the things that are really important - will landowners try to improve turkey habitat if they can no longer hunt them but a few days? This is a question that AL used to consider and it led to us having the best hunting in the nation. I never see anyone mention it now. Times change.

Thanks for participating in the discussion Matt. I know the limit is going down; I'll just have to live with it.

I still can't understand why the dcnr won't release the number of limits that are killed according to the hunter survey. You must have now decided it has some validity since you are quoting it.