This thread is impossible to read completely on my phone with all the quoting going on. My experience and opinion is. I've been hunting turkeys for 25 years fairly hard and I can kill a good percentage of turkeys if they're there. Problem is, I've never had a large # of turkeys on my property. Most I've ever killed is 3 and my grandfather killed 3 the same year. So technically I could have limited out if it were just me hunting my place. Most years it's more like 4 total. We have killed several hens by mistake over the years and a jake here or there by my kids. Imo I'd love to see a 2 bird limit with no jakes being legal. I don't know how well jakes can breed vs mature gobblers, so I'm not sure how that would affect population #'s. Jakes are stupid and too easy to kill and that's saying a lot considering how easy 2 yr olds are to kill. I feel about turkeys the way some of y'all felt about bucks before the limit change. Something needs to be done.