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Re: Anybody heard of Legislature voting on Baiting today [Re: Blessed] #1640479
02/05/16 02:39 AM
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http://www.nasda.org/News/Newsletters/5225/8344.aspx


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That is just a way that businesses market bagged whole corn. Our action level for aflatoxin is 20 parts per billion, regardless of what use is stated on the packaging, and we dont have any labeling requirements for whole-seed items, Linton said. Any whole-corn or other whole-seed item we find with aflatoxin levels in excess of 20 ppb is immediately embargoed. The same thing goes for any ingredients used by West Virginia feed manufacturers.

Linton noted a major distinction between whole-seed products and feed products, which can be whole-seed products that have been blended or processed in any way.

Some products sold in West Virginia include aflatoxin content on labels. Linton said some manufacturers choose to have their products independently analyzed and are not prevented from including that information on their packaging.

Some feed items imported into West Virginia are labeled as having aflatoxin content in excess of 20 ppb. Because long-term exposure to high levels of aflatoxin can cause liver damage to animals, U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) guidelines allow higher levels in finishing feed for animals that will soon go to slaughter. FDA recommends no more than 20 ppb for all immature animals and all dairy animals.

To prevent the formation of aflatoxin, Linton recommended that covered feeders be used rather than dumping piles on the ground, and that corn and feed be stored in a cool, dry place. He said those are common practices in the agricultural community. He noted that stressful conditions such as drought can also be a factor in the formation of aflatoxin. (For more information visit www.wvagriculture.org)


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Re: Anybody heard of Legislature voting on Baiting today [Re: Clem] #1640480
02/05/16 02:41 AM
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Originally Posted By: Clem
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Have you ever hunted in Texas or Kansas?


Nope. Hunted in MS, LA and AL


Then before you start calling virtually everyone who hunts in Texas and Kansas "lazy," you should try to get out there and hunt. Because it ain't the same as Miserysippi, Alabama and Louisiana.


Hey, I'm not trying to get into a pissing contest with you. It is just my opinion. After all isn't that the premise of a forum board. To give your opinion.


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Re: Anybody heard of DCNR voting on Baiting today [Re: Zkd22] #1640494
02/05/16 02:49 AM
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Originally Posted By: Zkd22
Ok I can't sleep so I will weigh in on this aflatoxin discussion. Aflatoxin is becoming non existent due to a product called Afla-guard and hybrid corn genetics being bred. For corn to pass export grades it has to be less than 20ppb (part per billion). Therefore all grain elevators have stringent testing procedures when receiving grain. Testing has to be done because you don't know where the corns final destination will be at the time of receiving. If it ends up on a barge at the gulf and doesn't pass grades...you just lost your ass and will have to sell for salvage. 20ppb won't kill anything and it sure as hell won't kill a ruminant such as a deer. I don't know about turkeys but you can feed very high levels of aflatoxins to chickens with no effect. Y'all can take what I say for what it's worth but I deal with this for a living and have seen a lot of aflatoxin. If somebody wants to go buy a bag of "deer corn" and bring me a ziplock sand which bag of it...I will grind it and run a test and tell you how many ppb it is but I will bet it will be very low.


Yeah, good facts. I guess they are dying like hell out in Texas.

Re: Anybody heard of DCNR voting on Baiting today [Re: Blessed] #1640525
02/05/16 03:10 AM
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how did I miss this cluster****??????


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Re: Anybody heard of Legislature voting on Baiting today [Re: MS_Hunter] #1640531
02/05/16 03:13 AM
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After all isn't that the premise of a forum board. To give your opinion.


Yes, and I'm giving mine, too, which used to be like yours until I actually hunted in states where feeders are used and realized they are not all "lazy" hunters. Until you go to a state where feeders are used, you don't know what you're talking about.


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Re: Anybody heard of DCNR voting on Baiting today [Re: yotetrapper] #1640543
02/05/16 03:21 AM
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Originally Posted By: yotetrapper

Originally Posted By: Zkd22
Ok I can't sleep so I will weigh in on this aflatoxin discussion. Aflatoxin is becoming non existent due to a product called Afla-guard and hybrid corn genetics being bred. For corn to pass export grades it has to be less than 20ppb (part per billion). Therefore all grain elevators have stringent testing procedures when receiving grain. Testing has to be done because you don't know where the corns final destination will be at the time of receiving. If it ends up on a barge at the gulf and doesn't pass grades...you just lost your ass and will have to sell for salvage. 20ppb won't kill anything and it sure as hell won't kill a ruminant such as a deer. I don't know about turkeys but you can feed very high levels of aflatoxins to chickens with no effect. Y'all can take what I say for what it's worth but I deal with this for a living and have seen a lot of aflatoxin. If somebody wants to go buy a bag of "deer corn" and bring me a ziplock sand which bag of it...I will grind it and run a test and tell you how many ppb it is but I will bet it will be very low.


Interesting, about aflaguard and hybrids reducing aflatoxins.
And while I would be interested in testing some corn, just one sample wouldn't give us much of an idea on how much aflatoxin is in "deer corn" on average. We would need to test hundreds of bags. Some bags will have higher and some lower. Also what would be the growth rates of aflatoxin while the corn is in a feeder? What about in bags that are bought by the pallet and left at hunting camps for most of the winter before they are put out?

I did find this write up from TAMU, granted its from 1998, so it may be out dated since there is new technology/research on this avaliable.
http://www.tamuk.edu/news/archive/arch98/october/aflatoxin.html


I'm a firm believer that you can create on your own problems. I have seen farmers combine clean corn and put it in their grain bins. Fast forward a few months to when they start emptying and it's loaded wilt aflatoxin due to moisture or them not conditioning the grain as they should. So it's definitely a possibility on corn in a feeder in the humid south

Re: Anybody heard of DCNR voting on Baiting today [Re: Blessed] #1640574
02/05/16 03:39 AM
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Hell, let's just strip all the regs out and hunt any way, any time we want to, so that it's easier. Lets legalize baiting, and while we are at it let allow spotlighting on private property, because hey, it's my land you know! We should be able to use drones or any other method we f-ing want to because it's free country man. Phucking ridiculous!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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Re: Anybody heard of Legislature voting on Baiting today [Re: Clem] #1641284
02/05/16 02:24 PM
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Originally Posted By: Clem
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After all isn't that the premise of a forum board. To give your opinion.


Yes, and I'm giving mine, too, which used to be like yours until I actually hunted in states where feeders are used and realized they are not all "lazy" hunters. Until you go to a state where feeders are used, you don't know what you're talking about.


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Re: Anybody heard of Legislature voting on Baiting today [Re: Blessed] #1641369
02/05/16 03:22 PM
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In Florida you can put out a dump truck of corn and sit on top of it if you want to. It has been legal for a LONG time and I've never heard of a problem with wildlife being harmed. There are more dang turkeys in NW Fl than you can shake a stick at also. If it were harming wildlife I would bet they would change the law.

Re: Anybody heard of DCNR voting on Baiting today [Re: BhamFred] #1641379
02/05/16 03:31 PM
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Originally Posted By: BhamFred
how did I miss this cluster****??????


To begin with you took a nap 10:00AM, then went to bed after supper at 4:00PM. Of course you did more real work than most of these jokers in the time you were awake.


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Re: Anybody heard of Legislature voting on Baiting today [Re: Clem] #1641390
02/05/16 03:42 PM
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Yeah corn or no corn if you don't have no bucks then you not going see one. Florida has allowed hunting over corn for years and there population is thriving. Don't see why people can't put it out if they want too. Shoot a deer with bow or gun he still dead. Shoot on a plot, shoot the deer over acorns, shoot the deer on greenfield who cares. One thing for sure I would rather someone shoot a deer over feed with a clean humane shot at 30 yards than a glancing shot off a tree to the gut with another weapon and deer dies a month later with guts hanging out the entire time. How many deer on WMA's and private land are shot a year due to trees or limbs not seen and never recovered?

Re: Anybody heard of Legislature voting on Baiting today [Re: timbercruiser] #1641410
02/05/16 03:59 PM
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Originally Posted By: timbercruiser
In Florida you can put out a dump truck of corn and sit on top of it if you want to. It has been legal for a LONG time and I've never heard of a problem with wildlife being harmed. There are more dang turkeys in NW Fl than you can shake a stick at also. If it were harming wildlife I would bet they would change the law.

Holmes County Florida had areas that turkeys were almost wiped out 20 years ago. It wasn't due to corn, but due to greedy hunters shooting them. Speak to a wildlife bioligist they will tell folks about the re-stocking and turkey season being closed for 4 or 5 years.

Re: Anybody heard of Legislature voting on Baiting today [Re: Blessed] #1642483
02/06/16 04:50 PM
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Is anyone going to answer the question? Did it pass or not?

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