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Re: Maybe We Do Need February Hunt [Re: AC870] #1645694
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These type of dumbass threads are the reason why I do not post much here any more.

Who cares how/where/when you hunt OR what you kill? I don't!
You are not hunting on the property that I hunt on. So, get after it!

And, in turn, worry about YOUR hunting more and others less. It will make Life a lot less stressful on you.

Of course, it may not last long since the deer in central AL no longer rut. So, when the ones you have are dead, it will be over.....

Re: Maybe We Do Need February Hunt [Re: ikillbux] #1645696
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I am being fully sincere when I tell you I couldn't care less if I ever saw the rut.


Count me in this group. It's fun to see a buck chasing a doe but, eh, it's just a buck trying to get a little squeeze.


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Re: Maybe We Do Need February Hunt [Re: AC870] #1645705
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I don't think it's a waste to hunt outside of the rut. There's always a chance a buck will walk by your stand. That's why I hunt the whole season, but the rut is by far the best time to see mature bucks. Old bucks are smart. One of the few things that gets them on their feet during daylight is a hot doe.

I don't know the situation where any of y'all hunt, but usually a lack of seeing mature bucks chasing does in the rut is caused by having too many does or too few bucks. When there are too many does, the bucks don't have to chase during daylight to find a hot doe. The reason you may only see spikes chasing does is because the big bucks only have to chase at night to find does.

That being said, I agree that there's not a better setup than by a white oak after a cold front in October, but I have seen way less mature bucks then than I do during the rut. If someone told me I couldn't hunt during the rut where I live, I would be upset. I can't imagine deer season without it. Everyone should have the same opportunity to kill mature bucks. It wouldn't help me at all to have a February season (mainly because the bucks are starting to lose their antlers), but if my rut was in February I would be wishing I could hunt then.

Re: Maybe We Do Need February Hunt [Re: AC870] #1645772
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I am having trouble understanding ikillbux's argument. Is it since deer bow season opens in October that we should all be obligated to hunt since someone decided that was the best opening day? Since deer season is legally in we MUST all get off our asses, take time off early on, and get out there because that's what the good lord of deer hunting commanded? It's amazing to me that someone is getting their panties in a wad because a measly extra two weeks could afford some hunters in the state

a) better weather to hunt in often
b) often times better conditions to hunt in (ie mature bucks on their feet in the daylight)

It does nothing to step on your toes to let at the very least bow season run extra long. Arkansas bow season opens September 26 and closes February 29 . I wish it was like that here (the season extended into february) so each and every hunter could take advantage of the wild ass rut dates we have all over the state. And bow hunters still could get out early. I like to think Arkansas does alright managing their deer even with that huge bow season.


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Re: Maybe We Do Need February Hunt [Re: Hogwild] #1645811
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Originally Posted By: Hogwild
These type of dumbass threads are the reason why I do not post much here any more.



Man shut up....you have 11,000 posts. grin


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Re: Maybe We Do Need February Hunt [Re: ikillbux] #1645855
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Originally Posted By: ikillbux
We've got to answer the question "Why?" Why do you want February hunting?

Because it makes it easier? (I disagree, but that's another argument)

Because you want to see Outdoor Channel deer behavior? (as if you're guaranteed to see it)

Because you don't see bucks otherwise? (So what you're telling me is for 3-1/2 months you couldn't see a buck?) This is the worst answer to me, do NOT tell me this and expect me to be persuaded.

Because you want to see rutting activity? Why???? Why does it matter??? If you CAN see a buck(s) from Oct 15 thru Jan 31(and you CAN!!), what does it matter if you see a buck chasing a doe on Feb 10??? This is a grossly selfish and misguided reason.

And to the guys who say "we hunt turkeys when they gobble", I'd say "yes, but we haven't already been hunting them for 3-1/2 months prior to gobbling." As a young man, I easily killed as many longbeards in the Fall season as I did in the Spring.

Quit being selfish and abusing the resource. Get out of your over-pressured club, get off the food plots, get out of the shooting houses and ladder stands. I don't see bucks when I hunt like that either!!! Quit goofing up the season for those of us who DO see and kill good bucks from Oct thru Jan, just because you've been brainwashed by TV shows.



I'm a N AL guy and don't really care about the Feb. season. That being said, I completely understand why deer hunters want to hunt when bucks are chasing does. That is the pinnacle of the deer hunting season and what every serious hunter anticipates. That being said, I agree you can't have your cake and eat it too, and maybe things would be better if there was a 3 week break in gun season where you could only hunt with a bow, etc. but I don't understand your questioning why a deer hunter would want to hunt the rut.

Also, yes, you can see bucks on well managed property all season long, BUT some mature bucks stay nocturnal until the rut, so hunting the rut is really the only time where a hunter can have a "good chance" of seeing a mature buck. What would the harvest numbers look like for mature bucks if no one in Alabama got to hunt their rut? I'm guessing 8 out of 10 mature bucks in Alabama are killed during the rut.

Re: Maybe We Do Need February Hunt [Re: ikillbux] #1645860
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Originally Posted By: ikillbux
It's amazing the difference between hunters..

I am being fully sincere when I tell you I couldn't care less if I ever saw the rut. I don't anticipate it, not even interested in it. And the truth is, most years I don't observe any kind of rutting activity, nor do I attribute any kill to the rut. I'm trying to emphasize to you that we don't have a rut here in central AL either, or what we do have is just weak...might see a spike harass does in a field or something. But we don't have that week where every huge racked buck is out prowling like Michael Jackson at Toy's R Us. It's not any different here than it is where you are in extreme south AL.

Many of you act as if the whole 3.5 month season is a total bust if you don't have that tiny window of days when that happens. I don't hunt there (except for occasional trips), so I'll just defer that you're right, but I can't wrap my mind around it. I can't comprehend the mindset that there is zero reason to go hunting unless this mystical, magical rut is occurring. I have spent years in Lee & Russell counties (not too far south), and it hunts exactly like here in central AL. You don't really see a nilly-willy chase phase there either, yet with some regularity all season long you could see and kill bucks at least as big as that one pictured above. Again, I'll just assume you are right, but I can't even begin to understand the difference.


It's hard to understand something if you never experienced it. Until I called one in from 55 yards to about 10 because he was lookin for a fight I didn't understand it either. But I will say that a lot of ppl want to see what they see on TV and it's hard to get that to happen in Alabama for a bunch of different reasons. I like hunting period. I also like hunting a hot white oak tree just as much as I do the chasing phase. But I like them for the same reason. They both will bring the deer in close.


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Re: Maybe We Do Need February Hunt [Re: truedouble] #1645868
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and what every serious hunter anticipates.


Not necessarily. There are some serious hunters who just enjoy hunting, the time outdoors, the opportunities to get to do something and whatever happens, happens. They're not hung up on a specific time of the season or some kind of ego-strokin' buck for the wall.


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Re: Maybe We Do Need February Hunt [Re: ikillbux] #1645879
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Originally Posted By: ikillbux
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But even if you are hunting your arse off hard, that's not really my sticking point with the whole argument. You simply cannot make me understand this bizarre fascination with "the rut"?????? I've repeatedly said, I couldn't give three $#@$'s if deer ever rutted whatsoever. What are YOU seeing during "the rut" that I'm apparently missing??? I see deer chase does, I hear bucks grunt/snort wheeze/growl, I see and hear bucks sparring, but I don't see those often, sometimes I go a whole season without seeing any of that. Yet I still kill my 3 bucks most years, and don't feel disappointed if my buck was only standing in a cutover nibbling on privet (instead of fiercely chasing a doe). And yes, they are large, mature deer, not skinny racked 3yr olds.

I'm telling you, if you hunt 3-1/2 months from Oct till Jan and do not see/kill a buck(s), YOU ARE THE PROBLEM!!, not the season dates. Come on guys, I don't want to argue about it, I don't dislike y'all (we're all hunting brethren), but let's quit being Democrat hunters. (Let's change the rules to make it easier on some of us) If they made our season from June till September, I'd just make it work, not whine about "the rut".


To each his own, but I find it strange that you don't understand the thrill of what comes with hunting the rut, or maybe you've never really experienced a real rut before.... it is a lot like saying you'd soon kill a gobbler after busting up a drove in the fall than calling one in gobbling during the spring…the two don't even compare. I absolutely love bow hunting in Oct. and personally love to see bow season open on Oct. 1st. No doubt my best opportunity at a mature buck would be Oct. 1st over the peak of our rut, but the rut is still what we all (or at least most of us) wait for and anticipate…after all, hunting is supposed to be fun

Re: Maybe We Do Need February Hunt [Re: truedouble] #1645901
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Some folks have fun all season.


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Re: Maybe We Do Need February Hunt [Re: Clem] #1645912
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Originally Posted By: Clem
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and what every serious hunter anticipates.


Not necessarily. There are some serious hunters who just enjoy hunting, the time outdoors, the opportunities to get to do something and whatever happens, happens. They're not hung up on a specific time of the season or some kind of ego-strokin' buck for the wall.



Good grief…but why am I not surprised…Clem, that was a general comment. And Congratulations my friend…maybe one day I can sit in the woods, like you and enjoy a day of seeing no deer PRECISELY the same as the day I see two mature bucks fighting and shoot one that heaven forbid ends up going on the wall… cause anything less would make me a QDM, TDM trophy hunter that really doesn't enjoy God's creation. smirk

I can guarantee that you don't enjoy the woods any more than I do…and yes I do enjoy hunts even I don't see a deer or don't kill something.

Re: Maybe We Do Need February Hunt [Re: Clem] #1645916
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after all, hunting is supposed to be fun


Some folks have fun all season.



I agree…what's your point?

Re: Maybe We Do Need February Hunt [Re: Clem] #1645932
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Originally Posted By: Clem
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and what every serious hunter anticipates.


Not necessarily. There are some serious hunters who just enjoy hunting, the time outdoors, the opportunities to get to do something and whatever happens, happens. They're not hung up on a specific time of the season or some kind of ego-strokin' buck for the wall.



I think I get it now some of you city slickers need hunting season to get in the woods..........


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I enjoy being in the woods hunting, however, my goal is to shoot a big, old buck. Shooting big old bucks is fun to me. Call me crazy.



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Re: Maybe We Do Need February Hunt [Re: AC870] #1645943
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I like seeing big bucks. I watched a buck shadowing a doe in Kansas this year that would have made y'all's knees wobble. Saw two others chasing a doe, both shooters. Saw a third that was every bit of 160 if not 170 ... and none were within crossbow range.

I hunted here in North Alabama on land I know well. They gave me the slip this year. I have them on camera. But I learned some more things and enjoyed being in the woods.

To each his own. But I won't stop emphasizing that it's not only about "the rut" or giant bucks or "one buck a season" or "baiting" for everyone. It's not. Everyone's different.


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I think I get it now some of you city slickers need hunting season to get in the woods..........



Hahahaha. Good one.


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Re: Maybe We Do Need February Hunt [Re: AC870] #1645957
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If I could set the seasons for the 610 acres I own in Wilcox county, it would be deer season starts the Sat. before Thanksgiving to Sunday after the next week. Then come back in 2 days before Christmas and go 2 weeks into February!!!

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Originally Posted By: Clem
I like seeing big bucks. I watched a buck shadowing a doe in Kansas this year that would have made y'all's knees wobble. Saw two others chasing a doe, both shooters. Saw a third that was every bit of 160 if not 170 ... and none were within crossbow range.

I hunted here in North Alabama on land I know well. They gave me the slip this year. I have them on camera. But I learned some more things and enjoyed being in the woods.

To each his own. But I won't stop emphasizing that it's not only about "the rut" or giant bucks or "one buck a season" or "baiting" for everyone. It's not. Everyone's different.



agree 100%

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I have hunted truly all over the state. I've killed mounter bucks on WMA's. I've been in $4,000 apiece leases on seriously elite land. Been in 10,500 acre clubs with 40 members. Been in some clubs that sucked. Been on invited hunts on places most folks only see on TV. I've worked in game management operations on a military base that probably has the highest density of older age structure, world-class genetics in the state. I've killed 13 deer in one season with my bow, killed 22 deer total in a season, killed two 8's with one shot, killed 144" deer, killed yearling knot-heads, killed a $hitpot load of deer in my life and seen as much in the woods as most men ever will. I've seen more bucks in one group chasing a single doe than I could even count. I've gone whole seasons and never seen rut behavior. At age 41 I've had a fantasy hunting career already if it ends tomorrow. I don't know if there's anything a deer does that I haven't observed from a treestand. I love it all, done it all, hope to do it all again for many more years. But in the end, "the rut" is so unpredictable and undependable that I simply don't care about it. If I see it, and it helps me, good. It may happen in season, but even if it does you still have low odds of actually seeing and killing a good buck. Better than usual, yes, but still no certainty. But since the early 90's I've not hunted one single bow season when I didn't see bunches of old, big bucks, and usually it's batchelor groups. It's 100% rock-solid dependable, it simply happens in October!!!!!!! And as many of those years as not, I get a chance to shoot at / kill one or more of them. The rut?...not so much. And again, I know it's just a personality thing, but it's not the same as turkeys gobbling to me, I just don't get any more excited seeing rut activity than I do when I see a big buck any other time of the season.

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Re: Maybe We Do Need February Hunt [Re: ikillbux] #1646686
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Originally Posted By: ikillbux
I have hunted truly all over the state. I've killed mounter bucks on WMA's. I've been in $4,000 apiece leases on seriously elite land. Been in 10,500 acre clubs with 40 members. Been in some clubs that sucked. Been on invited hunts on places most folks only see on TV. I've worked in game management operations on a military base that probably has the highest density of older age structure, world-class genetics in the state. I've killed 13 deer in one season with my bow, killed 22 deer total in a season, killed two 8's with one shot, killed 144" deer, killed yearling knot-heads, killed a $hitpot load of deer in my life and seen as much in the woods as most men ever will. I've seen more bucks in one group chasing a single doe than I could even count. I've gone whole seasons and never seen rut behavior. At age 41 I've had a fantasy hunting career already if it ends tomorrow. I don't know if there's anything a deer does that I haven't observed from a treestand. I love it all, done it all, hope to do it all again for many more years. But in the end, "the rut" is so unpredictable and undependable that I simply don't care about it. If I see it, and it helps me, good. It may happen in season, but even if it does you still have low odds of actually seeing and killing a good buck. Better than usual, yes, but still no certainty. But since the early 90's I've not hunted one single bow season when I didn't see bunches of old, big bucks, and usually it's batchelor groups. It's 100% rock-solid dependable, it simply happens in October!!!!!!! And as many of those years as not, I get a chance to shoot at / kill one or more of them. The rut?...not so much. And again, I know it's just a personality thing, but it's not the same as turkeys gobbling to me, I just don't get any more excited seeing rut activity than I do when I see a big buck any other time of the season.

To each his own brother.....your experiences is just not the same as mine and as you I can only go by my experiences. October has never been dependable where I hunt and I have hunted this area for over forty years. I am also not just talking about my hunting success but the success of every other Hunter I know. January has always been and now February is also the absolute best time to hunt mature bucks. So enjoy your October hunting and I will continue to wait till January to hunt hard with a rifle or bow.


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