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Re: Once we get tags... [Re: Remington270] #1652055
02/15/16 02:18 AM
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At first, I didn't think it was a bad idea. After reading 7 pages of this, I'm not so sure. In 2000 I stopped deer hunting and went out OTR driving a truck. I got a local job in 2013 and started deer hunting again. As I recall, in 2000 you could kill 1 deer a day legally. When I started again in 2013, the limit went from over 100 deer a year, to 8. 3 bucks and 5 does. WTH happened?

After reading these posts, I realize that the poachers will poach no matter what. Tag system or not. There may be only one thing that will rein that in. More GWs and more people willing to report them to the GW. And when they are caught, make it hurt. Peer pressure and older hunters setting a good example. Some people will NEVER change though. They will always see wildlife as something that "belongs" to them and they should be able to do what they want with it.

I don't like over regulation, but that's what regulators are paid to do. All they do all day is think of ways to regulate. I'm afraid(like a lot of others here), that tags will just be the start. The license price WILL go up within 1-2 seasons, I'll bet anyone on that. I think I'd rather the price go up a little and hire more GWs, rather than using that money to print up tags.

I hunted in a state once that had tags. I just thought it was strange. I never saw a GW there while hunting. I don't remember the sky falling either. But I feel the less government involvement, the better.

There is something every person on this site could do though. Contact your state representatives and let them know how you feel. Contact AL DCNR and let them know too. As I understand, DCNR makes most or all of these decisions with little or no input from our elected officials. And I know for a fact that they enjoy that unrestrained power. Maybe if they feared losing that power they might listen to opinions of hunters a little more.

Some here have these websites already. To those who don't, try this site to find links to DCNR and other useful stuff.
outdooralabama.com

To find and email your representative, try
http://state-al.capwiz.com/state-al/directory/congdir.tt

It's just a suggestion.


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Re: Once we get tags... [Re: perchjerker] #1652076
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Originally Posted by perchjerker
Tags work in other states, I don't understand why you guys don't think they will here !
so the tags stopped the poaching in other states, no night hunting, no shooting from the road, no one killing over the limit? That's an amazing piece of paper.


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Re: Once we get tags... [Re: Remington270] #1652098
02/15/16 03:29 AM
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You're already essentially doing the same as tagging by writing the kill on your license. Instead of writing, you attach a tag from your license.

Evidently some have trouble keeping up with their license.


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Re: Once we get tags... [Re: Remington270] #1652108
02/15/16 03:39 AM
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Yea but we are going to make a brand new system take all that money and man hours up to do the same thing we have now. Because if they are cheating it now they will cheat it then. Its not going to help anything. No wonder our country is in the dump. All tags will fix up is a paycheck for the state wasting time doing it. And make a New rule they will waste time "Fixing" it back in a few years. To make a New paycheck. Man they got some good job security with us.

Re: Once we get tags... [Re: cartervj] #1652109
02/15/16 03:40 AM
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Originally Posted by cartervj


Evidently some have trouble keeping up with their license.


No, mine is in my gun safe somewhere. It's not lost, I just have no use for it and don't plan to ever again.

Re: Once we get tags... [Re: Mossy454] #1652171
02/15/16 04:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Mossy454
At first, I didn't think it was a bad idea. After reading 7 pages of this, I'm not so sure. In 2000 I stopped deer hunting and went out OTR driving a truck. I got a local job in 2013 and started deer hunting again. As I recall, in 2000 you could kill 1 deer a day legally. When I started again in 2013, the limit went from over 100 deer a year, to 8. 3 bucks and 5 does. WTH happened?

After reading these posts, I realize that the poachers will poach no matter what. Tag system or not. There may be only one thing that will rein that in. More GWs and more people willing to report them to the GW. And when they are caught, make it hurt. Peer pressure and older hunters setting a good example. Some people will NEVER change though. They will always see wildlife as something that "belongs" to them and they should be able to do what they want with it.

I don't like over regulation, but that's what regulators are paid to do. All they do all day is think of ways to regulate. I'm afraid(like a lot of others here), that tags will just be the start. The license price WILL go up within 1-2 seasons, I'll bet anyone on that. I think I'd rather the price go up a little and hire more GWs, rather than using that money to print up tags.

I hunted in a state once that had tags. I just thought it was strange. I never saw a GW there while hunting. I don't remember the sky falling either. But I feel the less government involvement, the better.

There is something every person on this site could do though. Contact your state representatives and let them know how you feel. Contact AL DCNR and let them know too. As I understand, DCNR makes most or all of these decisions with little or no input from our elected officials. And I know for a fact that they enjoy that unrestrained power. Maybe if they feared losing that power they might listen to opinions of hunters a little more.

Some here have these websites already. To those who don't, try this site to find links to DCNR and other useful stuff.
outdooralabama.com

To find and email your representative, try
http://state-al.capwiz.com/state-al/directory/congdir.tt

It's just a suggestion.


Where are you limited to 5 does?

Re: Once we get tags... [Re: Remington270] #1652173
02/15/16 04:38 AM
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If the rule is made to issue tags, 3 bucks and 4 does or what ever the number is, I don't care. I'll just tag the deer and dress it. I don't see what the big problem is. I would hope there is a reporting number to the state or something so the harvest information could be utilized. The current system is useless as tits on a boar hog.

Re: Once we get tags... [Re: timbercruiser] #1652198
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Originally Posted by timbercruiser
If the rule is made to issue tags, 3 bucks and 4 does or what ever the number is, I don't care. I'll just tag the deer and dress it. I don't see what the big problem is. I would hope there is a reporting number to the state or something so the harvest information could be utilized. The current system is useless as tits on a boar hog.


I agree. But the problem is where the funding comes from, what info is going to be obtained from it, and if the hunter pays, where do the proceeds go?? WHERE DO THE PROCEEDS GO is a biggy right now with raiding of the DCNR funds.

Years ago I hunted somewhere (don' remember which state and it may be different now) where the landowner got the tags. Then he could sell them to his hunters so he could manage his land for numbers. Some landowners would charge $5 for one of their tags on their property, some might charge $500 per tag. Now does this really sound like a good idea?? I'm not really for or against until I know all the details....if it comes to that.

Re: Once we get tags... [Re: swampcracker] #1652228
02/15/16 05:09 AM
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Originally Posted by swampcracker
Originally Posted by ValleyDawg
Originally Posted by swampcracker
That's up to the Judge's. Start paying attention to what Judge's you vote in.Because they can do all that now. Peer pressure is the best weapon for it you know guys that do wrong call them out. I don't know one hunter that kills more than they need. But I know lots of poachers that do. Its not the guy killing a few deer a yr hurting the number it's the poachers. The avg guy don't kill but 3-5 deer a yr at most. I've herd of 19 yr old punks killing 150 a summer.


Dang big government keeps violating those 19 yr olds rights to kill as many deer as they want. Today they take away your summer hunting rights tomorrow they are coming for your guns. Dang big government. rofl

Wow what are you 4? You think because someone makes a New rule it fixed. Fact is I told you what the big problems are if you want to act like I'm crazy go Ahead. But in 25 years when you can't hunt anymore unless you have a quota or own your own land you'll be thinking Dang Big Government. And 99-% of the poachers are 18-29 the ones riding roads drinking beer shooting deer off the roads and out of fields all summer because they don't care ,They ain't been busted yet. You must live in a subdivision and not know what's going on in the deer woods after you lock the gate.


Sorry to disappoint but I don't live in a subdivision (not that theres anything wrong with that). Born an raised in the country. One thing I have been blessed with is the opportunity to live in and hunt in several different states. Some that use tags and some that don't.
First I have already agreed that poaching is a big problem with this state. Will tags solve that problem 100%? No. But neither will the current regs, or any reg for that matter.
Tags will however make a lot of people think twice before trying to take and transport a deer over their limit.
I will disagree with your statement that 99% of poachers are just youngens. 2 Years ago I had a lease that I had alot of problems with poachers on. I personally busted 3 different people on my property and every single one was over 40. They just didn't care.

As for as being afraid that tags are going to keep anyone from hunting, look at states like Texas and Arkansas. Both states use a tag system and both states hunting license with tags are actually CHEAPER than our Alabama hunting license. So you can take that argument somewhere else.
Texas hunting license with tags = $25
Arkansas hunting license with tags= $25
Alabama hunting license w/o tags= $26.20

So please tell us again how tags are going to price everyone out of hunting?

Re: Once we get tags... [Re: eskimo270] #1652255
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I believe you "government is the answer guys" won't stop there, when you realize the tags didn't do what you hoped it would then yall will push for more rules and regulations.


You are correct. When the "tags" don't curb JimmyJoe from killing more than three bucks or shooting does on his property "because NO ONE "NEEDS" more than two or three deer a year!" the TalabamaTagMafia will decide that something more is needed and begin pushing for that. And then after they decide that doesn't work, they'll ...


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Re: Once we get tags... [Re: ValleyDawg] #1652263
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But in 25 years when you can't hunt anymore unless you have a quota or own your own land


Heard the "it'll be a rich man's sport in 25 years" back, oh, 25 years ago. It hasn't happened.

Back 25 years ago, hunters who were in their 60s and 70s at that time said back when they were younger people said it would become a rich man's sport. It hasn't happened.

The friggin' sky isn't falling. In 25 years we'll still be able to hunt. Everything changes.


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Re: Once we get tags... [Re: Remington270] #1652522
02/15/16 08:49 AM
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I love the "it works in other states, it'll work here" people; as if the same legislators there are making the laws here in Alabama. You guys are some very trusting people, tell ya what, I've got some land I want to sell you.


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Re: Once we get tags... [Re: Clem] #1652961
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Originally Posted by Clem
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But in 25 years when you can't hunt anymore unless you have a quota or own your own land


Heard the "it'll be a rich man's sport in 25 years" back, oh, 25 years ago. It hasn't happened.

Back 25 years ago, hunters who were in their 60s and 70s at that time said back when they were younger people said it would become a rich man's sport. It hasn't happened.

The friggin' sky isn't falling. In 25 years we'll still be able to hunt. Everything changes.


It has happened, and is happening more every year. Look over in the clubs and leases section.

Re: Once we get tags... [Re: Remington270] #1653075
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I know where there is a low fence 2,000+ acre tract with a cabin on it that leases for $35 an acre. I would have to quit hunting.

Re: Once we get tags... [Re: timbercruiser] #1653087
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Originally Posted by timbercruiser
If the rule is made to issue tags, 3 bucks and 4 does or what ever the number is, I don't care. I'll just tag the deer and dress it. I don't see what the big problem is. I would hope there is a reporting number to the state or something so the harvest information could be utilized. The current system is useless as tits on a boar hog.


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Re: Once we get tags... [Re: ChrisAU] #1653490
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Originally Posted by ChrisAU
[quote=Mossy454]At first, I didn't think it was a bad idea. After reading 7 pages of this, I'm not so sure. In 2000 I stopped deer hunting and went out OTR driving a truck. I got a local job in 2013 and started deer hunting again. As I recall, in 2000 you could kill 1 deer a day legally. When I started again in 2013, the limit went from over 100 deer a year, to 8. 3 bucks and 5 does. WTH happened?

Where are you limited to 5 does?


Well that's what my harvest record/license has on it. I never looked into if there was a way I could kill more than 5 does, because I'm not gonna kill more than 5 does. I don't have enough freezer space to stockpile deer meat. Maybe someday I will get a bigger freezer.

But that was a small and insignificant part of my overall point. My point was that in 2000 there was almost no limit(Who kills, stores and eats more than 100 deer a year?), and in 2013 there is a MUCH smaller limit. I see nothing wrong with a limit, but I know what happens when government starts nosing around, imposing new regulations. There's a good chance it will never stop until they ruin it for everyone. That's all I was saying.

BTW, how many doe slots does your harvest record have? Maybe I've got a defective harvest record.


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Re: Once we get tags... [Re: Remington270] #1653516
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I don't understand how tags are going to stop poaching.
"Hey I can't go out tonight I am out of tags". Really?











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Re: Once we get tags... [Re: Remington270] #1653528
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I can assure you that tags will help nail some poachers/road hunters in our area. When they say they killed deer in the daytime, it won't matter when they say they killed it. It would be a citation after 3. One person killing 14 bucks in a year, an observant GW could get them on that anyway. Hell there are new ones laying in the back of some trucks every morning during late January. And tie the tags back to the license #.
And while I'm on a roll, make shooting into someone's property from the road RECKLESS ENDANGERMENT. It would be like shooting into a house. I'd say $5000 and 30 days. And if it happens again, it would be a ban from hunting, confiscation of firearms, and vehicle, along with the above. (sorry to stray from the tag deal on this little paragraph)


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Re: Once we get tags... [Re: Remington270] #1653553
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No one is limited by the DCNR to killing only 5 does a season. They put five slots on the "harvest record" because there was no more space (or, if you're a conspiratorial sort, because they were trying to get you in the mindset that you only should kill 5).

But there is no restriction to just 5 does a season. Kill 49 or 110 or however many you need.


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Re: Once we get tags... [Re: Clem] #1653805
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Originally Posted by Clem

No one is limited by the DCNR to killing only 5 does a season. They put five slots on the "harvest record" because there was no more space (or, if you're a conspiratorial sort, because they were trying to get you in the mindset that you only should kill 5).

But there is no restriction to just 5 does a season. Kill 49 or 110 or however many you need.


Yep, just like the confirmation number is on the form. Since confirmation is voluntary and number of does not limited to 5 there is no need for it to be on the "form" and it is an easy modifications in these days of computers and stuff that the DCNR could easily make and prevent the confusion, right?


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